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#62 ·
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Guys i rode a 600cc for the first time Holyyyyyy Coowwwwwwwww lol
my little 300 is to slow now jk i still love it i could only imagein in 1000cc
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lol, wait till you wait a 1200cc or bigger. fun times. you need to learn to ride with your head not your right wrist;)
 
#66 · (Edited)
The problem with a jump from the 300 to the 1000 is that you may find that the 1000 is too much (both in cost and power) and going back isn't all that easy. Buying one without having ridden one is a very risky financial-investment. KNOW what you're buying! :) This goes for any bike, but more so for more-expensive supersports and literbikes.

If you can, try the bike out first...through a friend, a rental, etc. Ride *some* kind of literbike before diving-in. Why? You may realize that you'd be fine with a supersport, or one of those larger-engine middleweights such as the Ninja 636 or Daytona 675(R).

I think the 636 would be a better choice, and you pretty much just don't need a literbike on the street, though the power is fun (I owned an R1 for a couple years).

Literbikes are easy to ride slowly but yes, they will go FAST. Way faster than you can think if you decide to grab a fistful of throttle.. Even an experienced rider has to acclimate to a faster bike or it will overwhelm not just your skill, but how fast you can think. If you're used to thinking at a certain speed on a slower bike, then you will need to think faster on a faster bike...so don't ride faster than your CPU (your brain) can process the information coming at it (road, turns, conditions, etc.).

Really, it comes down to throttle-control. A lot of people make them sound worse than they are, but a lot of people give advice without ever having-ridden the bike in-question, or any literbike for that matter. In my view, people who haven't ridden a supersport or literbike shouldn't give advice for or against these bikes....though they may know technical information about them.

Literbikes are just machines with more potential power. My 300 will get me in trouble if I use too much throttle in a given-situation, and literbikes are no different. Want less power? Use less throttle. It sounds glib, but it *really* is that simple.

Now, in comparison, the literbike will feel like a rocket *if* someone is foolish enough to hop on and ride a literbike like a 300, but who's that foolish? When I owned my R1 and my Gixxer 600, the 600 felt downright SLOW. Why? I was used to my R1. If I rode a Gixxer 6 today, I am sure it'd feel quite fast compared to my experience on the 300. That's why when we try new bikes (even our own new bikes), it's important to adapt. Some people adapt faster than others.

A lot of what you feel on a bike is relative to what you already know (or don't know), but if you have any kind of respect for the machine and any kind of common-sense, you can ride a literbike as easily as a 300, given that you're willing to learn the machine and adapt to it.

Remember, the real trick is your software—your brain. Bikes are machines and they do what we tell them to do.

Here's a video where I swapped bikes with a local rider/racer, SuperBikeShaun. His bike is a heavily-modified Gixxer 1000 and he got to ride my nicely-modded 300! :D

 
#67 · (Edited)
***EDIT*** ^^^^ One of the best comments I've read on this site Spacep0d^^^^

There is never really a need to go faster than 100MPH on public roads so the thrill of owning a 1000CC is about how fast you get fast. The acceleration and torque. Depending on what type of riding you will be doing, you won't likely take advantage of the extra power frequently enough to justify the upgrade. Even for an experienced, mature rider it's a waste. Especially in the US where all vehicles are restricted to 186MPH.

90% of the riders in my area buy 1000+CC bike just to keep up appearances. They ride well within the speed limit with very limited "playtime" on the HWY here and there. When I showed up on the SRAD, everyone asked if it was a 1000. When I told them 600, the common response was, "why you buy that?" Or, "Should have bought a 1000". When I ask why, all I get is silence. Then after a ride they accuse me of lying about it being a 600 because I can keep up. In reality they just have a bunch of power and tech going to waste.

As far as safety, I know tons of riders who start on a 1000CC and have been riding 5-10 years without incident. Motorcycles aren't dangerous, some riders are. 100MPH is the same 100MPH on a 300 and a 1000. For learning purposes the 300 is more ideal but the notion that a 1000CC is an automatic death wish is just extreme bull. You don't blame gun violence on the gun.

If you ride 2 or 3 years on the 300 and still want more, find a demo day and test ride a few other bikes to see what does it for you. It's a bad idea to get a 1000CC just because that's what everybody else has or so you can keep up on rides. If the people you ride with put you in a position that you need to keep up, you need new riding buddies.

So to finally answer the OP, the type of jump you asked about is possible but not advised. When you ride a 600, you should be thoroughly satisfied.
 
#68 ·
thecomputerguy06 said:
There is never really a need to go faster than 100MPH on public roads so the thrill of owning a 1000CC is about how fast you get fast. The acceleration and torque. Depending on what type of riding you will be doing, you won't likely take advantage of the extra power frequently enough to justify the upgrade. Even for an experienced, mature rider it's a waste. Especially in the US where all vehicles are restricted to 186MPH.

90% of the riders in my area buy 1000+CC bike just to keep up appearances. They ride well within the speed limit with very limited "playtime" on the HWY here and there. When I showed up on the SRAD, everyone asked if it was a 1000. When I told them 600, the common response was, "why you buy that?" Or, "Should have bought a 1000". When I ask why, all I get is silence. Then after a ride they accuse me of lying about it being a 600 because I can keep up. In reality they just have a bunch of power and tech going to waste.

As far as safety, I know tons of riders who start on a 1000CC and have been riding 5-10 years without incident. Motorcycles aren't dangerous, some riders are. 100MPH is the same 100MPH on a 300 and a 1000. For learning purposes the 300 is more ideal but the notion that a 1000CC is an automatic death wish is just extreme bull. You don't blame gun violence on the gun.

If you ride 2 or 3 years on the 300 and still want more, find a demo day and test ride a few other bikes to see what does it for you. It's a bad idea to get a 1000CC just because that's what everybody else has or so you can keep up on rides. If the people you ride with put you in a position that you need to keep up, you need new riding buddies.

So to finally answer the OP, the type of jump you asked about is possible but not advised. When you ride a 600, you should be thoroughly satisfied.
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There's no need to go faster than the speed limit.. Why set an arbitrary 100mph need for speed?

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#69 ·
The issue with the larger bikes is just that - they are larger. The Ninja 300 (and my KLX250) are so much fun because they provide a full riding experience at any speed. A 600-1000cc bike, not so much. After riding my KLX250 for a while, when I get on my ZX-6R it feels like a Cadillac. That's not a bad thing, but you will lose that feeling of being on a machine that will do as you wish, so easily, at any speed. The larger bikes simply are not as fun at slower speeds.
 
#70 ·
thecomputerguy06 said:
***EDIT*** ^^^^ One of the best comments I've read on this site Spacep0d^^^^

There is never really a need to go faster than 100MPH on public roads so the thrill of owning a 1000CC is about how fast you get fast. The acceleration and torque. Depending on what type of riding you will be doing, you won't likely take advantage of the extra power frequently enough to justify the upgrade. Even for an experienced, mature rider it's a waste. Especially in the US where all vehicles are restricted to 186MPH.

90% of the riders in my area buy 1000+CC bike just to keep up appearances. They ride well within the speed limit with very limited "playtime" on the HWY here and there. When I showed up on the SRAD, everyone asked if it was a 1000. When I told them 600, the common response was, "why you buy that?" Or, "Should have bought a 1000". When I ask why, all I get is silence. Then after a ride they accuse me of lying about it being a 600 because I can keep up. In reality they just have a bunch of power and tech going to waste.

As far as safety, I know tons of riders who start on a 1000CC and have been riding 5-10 years without incident. Motorcycles aren't dangerous, some riders are. 100MPH is the same 100MPH on a 300 and a 1000. For learning purposes the 300 is more ideal but the notion that a 1000CC is an automatic death wish is just extreme bull. You don't blame gun violence on the gun.

If you ride 2 or 3 years on the 300 and still want more, find a demo day and test ride a few other bikes to see what does it for you. It's a bad idea to get a 1000CC just because that's what everybody else has or so you can keep up on rides. If the people you ride with put you in a position that you need to keep up, you need new riding buddies.

So to finally answer the OP, the type of jump you asked about is possible but not advised. When you ride a 600, you should be thoroughly satisfied.
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I feel no guilt over wanting an R1, and it's not to 'keep up' or quadruple the speed limit, I really am amazed by all the technology and build that yamaha put into that glorious machine, and how comfortable it is to sit on :D

Can't say I didn't feel offended when 600 and 1,000 riders kinda stuck their nose up once they found out my bike is a 300, but I am caring what they think less and less every day, because I absolutely love my bike.

A 600 engine is probably more ideal for passing and such, but definitely not the seating position or the insurance costs. Truth be told, if I found a 600 as cheap as my ninja to insure and it was reasonably comfortable, I'd trade in my ninja for it- however there is no such thing at the moment without going into cruisers or standards (I'm looking at you, duke 690 and yamaha fz-09!)


Thus is why I want an R1 somewhere down the line, alongside my 300. It will be my 'weekend' bike kinda like rich people with their 'weekend cars'
 
#71 ·
What I like most about the 600cc supersports (and some people dislike this) is that they only begin to make power over 6000 RPM in most cases. The gearbox ratios are so close together that it's just pure fun to ride aggressively. The 600cc engines really are so wonderful little screamers. The 1000cc bikes will develop more torque quicker, at lower RPMs. It's really preference - the 1000cc bikes are only physically larger where it's needed to accommodate the larger engine. They are usually wider, and this is what I do not like.

Like everybody suggests, anybody looking to get a larger bike needs to spend some time on them - and ride bikes from different manufacturers. Right now the 636 really seems like the nice sweet spot for people that do not want a 1000, and a more comfortable riding position that most bikes of that class. The 2012 ZX-6R had a fully race-set riding position and the 636 relaxed that a bit for better street use.
 
#72 ·
There are very few people who drive the actual speed limit all the time.
Most people who say they do are liars and if a device was put on their vehicle to monitor them it would scream bullshit.
As an example
21MPH in a 20MPH zone is speeding.
So lets not get all speed limit religious. It's hypocritical at best.

To go with the above statement, I also don't condone driving like an idiot.
Weaving in and out of traffic, slamming through neighborhoods with driveways, taking blind corners at the limit of your skill.
Are all examples of stuff that can eventually kill you or worse, someone else who was doing nothing wrong.

But,
If you have the skill and are in an area where there is no traffic and a full line of vision, hitting a posted 35mph turn at 50mph+ can be quite fun.
Same is true for opening up on a straight away occasionally.

My only caveat is, only do this stuff, when the only consequence will be yourself.

For me, a 1000CC SuperSport is a race bike. Shy of getting to speed slightly faster, there is nothing a 1000 can do on the street that a smaller bike can't do. In most cases, on the street, 1000cc bikes are slower. Most 600cc bikes [And smaller] can run circles around them once the road gets curvy. Especially since most 1000cc riders have more ego than riding skill.
To that end, if the 300 doesn't have quite the level of punch you want, I think the next jump only needs to be a 6xx or equivolent twin size.
 
#73 ·
Lusiphur said:
There are very few people who drive the actual speed limit all the time.
Most people who say they do are liars and if a device was put on their vehicle to monitor them it would scream bullshit.
As an example
21MPH in a 20MPH zone is speeding.
So lets not get all speed limit religious. It's hypocritical at best.

To go with the above statement, I also don't condone driving like an idiot.
Weaving in and out of traffic, slamming through neighborhoods with driveways, taking blind corners at the limit of your skill.
Are all examples of stuff that can eventually kill you or worse, someone else who was doing nothing wrong.

But,
If you have the skill and are in an area where there is no traffic and a full line of vision, hitting a posted 35mph turn at 50mph+ can be quite fun.
Same is true for opening up on a straight away occasionally.

My only caveat is, only do this stuff, when the only consequence will be yourself.

For me, a 1000CC SuperSport is a race bike. Shy of getting to speed slightly faster, there is nothing a 1000 can do on the street that a smaller bike can't do. In most cases, on the street, 1000cc bikes are slower. Most 600cc bikes [And smaller] can run circles around them once the road gets curvy. Especially since most 1000cc riders have more ego than riding skill.
To that end, if the 300 doesn't have quite the level of punch you want, I think the next jump only needs to be a 6xx or equivolent twin size.
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I think a big part of owning a literbike is just the fact that you own an extremely powerful machine with a large amount of ponies at your disposal (if you so choose to use them).

One simple solution that would solve all the squid deaths and high insurance rates is a staged CC license (two stages: any bikes that are not supersports and under 800cc's, and stage 2 would be all bikes good to go)
 
#74 ·
GHill762 said:
There's no need to go faster than the speed limit..
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That's like grandpa telling his teenage son to wait till he's married to have sex. While there isn't a technical need to go over the limit, the reality is that any vehicle capable of exceeding the speed limit does so often. Speed limit is 65, traffic moves at 70-75. Even the state troopers say, "9 you're fine, 10 you're mine". To hide and censor the fact that people speed is like telling a kid to cover their eyes when a kissing scene comes on TV. Educating and condoning are two separate things. If anybody owns a sportbike and never exceeds the speed limit, they wasted their money. Who buys an automatic gun and never shoots more than one bullet at a time?

GHill762 said:
Why set an arbitrary 100mph need for speed?
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Since danger is the common theme in these types of "upgrade" threads I chose a dangerous speed that both the 300 and 1000 are capable of. Anything more than 100 IMO goes beyond the occasional thrill rip and goes into jackass territory.

What exactly do you find wrong or offensive about my previous post? Like I don't get it.
 
#75 · (Edited)
thecomputerguy06 said:
That's like grandpa telling his teenage son to wait till he's married to have sex. While there isn't a technical need to go over the limit, the reality is that any vehicle capable of exceeding the speed limit does so often. Speed limit is 65, traffic moves at 70-75. Even the state troopers say, "9 you're fine, 10 you're mine". To hide and censor the fact that people speed is like telling a kid to cover their eyes when a kissing scene comes on TV. Educating and condoning are two separate things. If anybody owns a sportbike and never exceeds the speed limit, they wasted their money. Who buys an automatic gun and never shoots more than one bullet at a time?


Since danger is the common theme in these types of "upgrade" threads I chose a dangerous speed that both the 300 and 1000 are capable of. Anything more than 100 IMO goes beyond the occasional thrill rip and goes into jackass territory.

What exactly do you find wrong or offensive about my previous post? Like I don't get it.
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In your opinion.. You set an arbitrary max for how fast people "need to go" based on nothing but your opinion.. Anything faster than that is just crazy right?

That's my point. It's a bit hypocritical to say 100 is fine but don't go 120.. They're both well over the limit and could get your license taken away.. If you're speeding you're speeding..

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#76 ·
And I was only saying nobody needs to exceed the speed limit to make a point about your "nobody needs to go that fast"

It's kind of like
"Nobody needs that nice of a house"
"Nobody needs that kind of money"
Etc.. All bs statements. Worry about what you need not what everyone else does or does not need.

Not necessarily aimed at you, just the mindset in general.

/end rant



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#78 ·
#80 ·
Hes being a troll cause even though he doesnt support it hes speaking for people on opposite sides of the spectrum. The ones who feel they need to ride recklessly fast or do a 100mph wheelie from a stop light or the ones who feel extra special cause their bike can hit speeds they never will. Besides some people like to watch the world burn :p

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