I've spoke to several experienced riders in my area, and they said it would be a bad idea to jump that far up. It's better to progress from a 250/300cc to a 600cc then to a 1000cc. I tend to agree with them because I have sat on a 600cc bike before I got my Ninja 300...totally different feel. So I can only imagine a jump that big to a 1000cc bike.

All in all, I would say slowly progress to a 1000cc bike, especially if you don't have a lot of riding experience like me.

 

it all depends on your driving habits, maturity level, and use of self control

 

I have a 300 and my best friend just picked up a brand new 2013 bmw 1000rr, I will tell you I will never own a 1000 after riding that for 10 minutes. If you want to live till 30, I would stick to a 600 at best, But if break neck acceleration and power wheeling through each gear , you'll only ever get into 2nd ( does 90~mph in 1st.) then hell go for it. If i'm 19 and am telling you its a bad idea, then that should say something . Figure the time it takes at minimum wage to buy a 300, then a 600, then a 1000 is probably a lot shorter than the kidney donor wait list. Life is progression, start small and learn , then upgrade. CAN you get a 1000 after a 300, of course, I just wouldn't advise it. I have more fun leaving all my 600cc friends in the dust in the canyons than they have leaving me in the dust on the freeway, but if you must dance with the devil , just make sure you keep on key. Wear your gear, stay within your limits. and pray you have a common blood type. Stay with a 300, ride it, track it , eat shit a few times, and then decide if you want to be hitting the ground going faster,harder and more expensively. Shoot go ride a 1000 , then you wont even need to read this reply to tell you it isn't the best idea.

 

A 19 YEAR OLD WROTE THIS?? Son, you make me proud.

 

Can't you get a 1000 restricted down to a 600? Seems like someone told me that, maybe a myth.

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Once you go into the supersports I wouldn't think there is ridiculously amounts of difference. 600 and 1000 will both be really twitchy on the throttle and both will have more than enough power to kill you. The ZXs have power modes so use that when you first get on one. Comfort is another factor. The 600 turns you into a pretzel where the 1000 is more spread out. Ride the crap out of the 300. Take it to tracks and ride for a few years before upgrading. Most riders won't use the 300 to it's full potential.

 

I have to agree with chase! If your anything like I was at 19 you'd be lucky to see 20 on a litre bike! But with the general road skills a bit more maturity and only doing 20km over and not 100 every where I go now! I don't see a problem with it!

 

I can ride a 1000cc bike just as slow as a 300.

 

True.....but you cant ride a 300cc bike as fast as a 1000cc bike which is where most get into trouble after upgrading.

Jump on a 1000cc bike that in second gear does the top speed of your 300cc bike.........you can very easily get carried away without realising it.

That being said, its all up to the maturity level and restraint of the owner I guess.

 

I would suggest that you take your 300 to a number of motorcycle schools and learn how to ride on the small bike. You might even do a few track days to increase your skills. If you concentrate on becoming a more proficient rider moving to the liter bike will be no problem. I have probably owned more than 50 motorcycles in my life and one thing stands true.
It is a lot more fun to ride a slow bike fast than it is to ride a fast bike slow. Learn on the 300 and prepare yourself for the larger stuff.

 

I was always told

"It's easier to learn to ride a slow bike fast, than a fast bike slow."

This statements holds so so true. I've been on some very fast bikes (ZX-10r, ZX-12r, Busas) and they belong in complete different categories. They truly are superbikes, not the casual sport bikes we're used to coming from like the 300. They ride completely different and handle equally as different. Enjoy the 300 for a bit, then experiment with 600s and 1000s and make the best judgement call for you. Stay safe, ride safe brother.

 

On a race track, many if not all low experience riders might actually be able to post lower lap times on a 600 or even a 300 than they could on a 1000 cc bike.
There was an article in some bike magazine a long time ago when the Yamaha R1 was just on the scene, it was a comparison test between the R1 and the 600cc R6 on a race track. Lap times were compared with four different riders, a beginner, an experienced rider, an amateur racer, and a professional racer.
The only rider who could post lower lap times with the 1000 cc bike than the 600 cc bike was the pro, the rest actually were faster on the 600.
The lighter and more nimble 600 with its softer power gave them more confidence in the turns and time lost in a turn by being overly cautious can not be made up with extra speed on the straights.

Here's an example that illustrates how time lost going slow can not be made up by going fast.
Let's say you live two miles from work, the first mile has a strictly enforced 20 mph speed limit and the second mile has a strictly enforced 60 mph speed limit.
Now lets say the police gives you a choice, you may either go 30 mph on the first mile but you must strictly obey the 60 mph speed limit on the second mile, or you must strictly obey the 20 mph speed limit on the first mile and you can go 120 mph on the second mile, but you can't do both, it's one or the other.
Which saves more time?
The answer is the first choice. Going 30 instead of 20 mph lets you cover that first mile in two minutes instead of three minutes and the second mile at 60 is covered in one minute, turning the original four minute trip into a three minute trip for a net savings of one minute.

Going 20 for the first mile means it takes three minutes to cover the first mile and then going 120 mph means it takes 30 seconds to cover the second mile for a net savings of only 30 seconds.

How fast would you have to go on the second mile to get the same time savings as going 30 mph on the first mile, well you would have to turn a one minute mile into a zero minute mile, the speed of light in other words.

This is something that is very counter intuitive, especially to the left lane crowd who drive like they are on their way to a fire, and then when they park their cars, just casually walk the rest of the way to the office instead of running as fast as they can.

 

do you know what really makes you go fast??? losing some weight from your body & learning to ride correctly in the first place.

 

True. Money spent practicing and on a good riding coach or track school will make you much faster than money spent on a loud exhaust.

 

I probably wont buy a liter bike. 600+ bike is good enough for me. It will be fun to test ride a liter bike but thats about it. All that power i wont need. And that extra bump in insurance rate i dont want. Right now im slowly saving up for a ninja 636 so in 2-3yrs i can get a used 2013 model for less.

 

dont forget no matter what bike you get, learn to ride with your head, not your right wrist

 

I truly think a liter bike is useless. You can't have fun with it. Hell I'm at 130mph in 3rd on a 600. That's just retarded. Smaller bike is way more fun. Bigger bike just takes less effort to get up n go.


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I agree. Liter is too much for the street unless your tracking it. The middleweight class is just enough to get your ass in trouble.


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Or unless your street racing it like the local kids do here on the weekend lol. I've seen a Hayabusa race a Nissan gtr. Needless to say the busa won....by a long shot.


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Ill be doing track days on mine so I don't think its use less!
And I'm sure I will enjoy riding it on the street immensely!

 

If your gonna use it for track then no you'll be fine.


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If your just riding the streets with the bike there is no reason to get a liter bike. Most 600cc bikes will accelerate almost as fast as a liter will.

The only reason to buy a liter is for drag races, if your taking it to a road race course don't even think about it because until you get to the advance group your going to have 600 smoke your ass in the corners anyways.

 

You realize you're grouping a bike with around 100hp (600cc) with a bike that has 200hp (1,000cc) right?

 

I think literbikes have a reason to exist, not everyone can fit on a 600 easily since it's so cramped, and not everyone wants to rev up high to get that nice torque. The 1,000 offer more torque throughout the powerband instead of having to rev up (kinda like the 300 vs a 600).

Now don't bring up the whole 'if you don't wanna rev, why get a sports bike' argument- lots of people want the look and feel of sportsbikes, you can't really take that freedom away from them.

What I do believe though, is we need to tighten on our licensing laws- it's ridiculous how many squids get their license and jump on a literbike or 'busa and smash it up along with themselves and someone's family car. I believe Europe got that part right with the staged licensing for cc's, riders shouldn't be allowed to just get a 600 or 1,000 without passings tests or prior experience.

 

just saying I don't think my 600 ever saw 5th gear.

My 750 has only seen 5th at Road atlanta on the back straight.

If you really think you need a 1000 your only kidding yourself. You just want a 1000

 

just saying I don't think my 600 ever saw 5th gear.

Then you must be getting very poor gas mileage

If you really think you need a 1000 your only kidding yourself. You just want a 1000

If you're gonna start saying 'NEEEEEEEEEEEED' then you don't NEEEEEEEEED any more than a 250-400cc's. Get rid of your 600 RIGHT NOW because you don't NEEEEEEEEEEEEEED it

 

Bottom line is the bike goes as fast as u twist the throttle, I have rode a friends gsxr 1000 race bike and only opened up the throttle to what I was comfortable with, the power wasn't the problem it was the extra weight that I had trouble with!


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I've had a 600, then a 600+1100, then an 1100, now an 1100 and a 300.

I purchased the 300 so that I can actually use it on a daily basis and get something out of it. The Ducati is a pain in the ass to ride, it isn't comfortable, does not want to go the speed limit and costs a lot to operate. The 300 should be the exact opposite. Once I get in the grove with the new bike, I will likely end up making the Ducati a track only bike as that's really the only place it should be.

Granted, I will never sell my Duc and I do not regret purchasing it but anyone who says they "need" more power on the street or that a 600 doesn't have usable street power is talking out their ass.

I say, know what you're getting into when you buy a certain CC bike, live with it and don't use the "gaining experience" excuse to get rid of it because you'll likely find yourself wanting the 300 back after you get 10 speeding tickets, wreck the 600, see your insurance rates and get older.

But, to each their own. If you want the bike, buy the bike, just don't come crying to me when you crash and burn.

Dave

 

You're quite critical, aren't you

 

I know guys that have tracked many years and they are still afraid of litre bikes. 1 small mistake and you're dead. 600s are way more fun without the fear of imminent death.

 

I have a 300...love it on the back country twisty 2-lane roads. Hate it on the interstate. I will be getting Papa Ninja soon for that. If you can't control your need for speed and ride smart...stay away from a 1000.

 

After reading all the replies i think a 600cc would be better suited for me since i only ride on the streets. Im thinking of sticking with kawasaki and get the zx6r in a couple years versus the zx10r


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