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Better safe than sorry, plus if your spending the money for a full exhaust system. may as well go all out and get a power commander or some kind of programmer.

plus, gonna feel more power, if you have the money, go for it lol if not... wait a couple weeks till you have the money and do it. but i'd say its worth it.
 

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You won't be "just running lean". When you run lean, you run the risk of burning up your exhaust valves. You may now have any issues now, and it may seem like it's running fine, but in a couple 1000 miles or so, you may be looking at an engine rebuid. I know the older 250s were big on this, but for those you just had to spend the $70 on a jet kit, not $250+ for a programmer.

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I don't think it's a big deal. I ran my bike with a full M4 exhaust and now I have the powercommander.... Not much of a difference
That power commander map must suck big time.. there is a HUGE difference between my m4 full system on the stock map and my m4 full system on the Area-P map..

To answer your question, YES you would need a tuner, you can go without one but wouldnt do it for long..
 

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Full exhaust and Area-p is massive difference. I ran for a few days without with no real typical lean symptoms but IMO you need a tune for the bike bone stock too. The stock map is leaving sooo much on the table.
 

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I don't think it's a big deal. I ran my bike with a full M4 exhaust and now I have the powercommander.... Not much of a difference
M4 is one of the only exhaust manufacturer's that their website stated "
A: It is not absolutely necessary to re-jet or re-map after installing a new M4 system. Your bike will run fine if you don't. In most cases, however, the ride and performance will be enhanced with optimal jetting and mapping."

I'm under the assumption this mean's a power commander?

I find all of this confusing. Still not sure what I am going to do. I also have been told it will void the warranty and I chose the 4yr warranty.
 

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That power commander map must suck big time.. there is a HUGE difference between my m4 full system on the stock map and my m4 full system on the Area-P map..

To answer your question, YES you would need a tuner, you can go without one but wouldnt do it for long..
Are maps different if you have a different exhaust? I mean, if I have a Yoshi is it going to work the same way with a M4 for example


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It's essential to get a new fuel map with a full-exhaust if you care about getting the most power out of your free-breathing full-exhaust. It's also better for the bike.

I'll be getting mine done through Flash-Tune.com, after I loan my bike to them for a couple days so they can create a map for it. :D More to come on that and I'll be vlogging the process as we go.
 

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Once you add modification that start allowing more air to enter and exit the motor it is best to adjust the amount of fuel that the engine burns. On a fuel injected bike this means a fuel management module like a power commander or the area-p unit.

This will maximize performance of the modifications and also allow for the proper fuel/air mixture preventing the bike from running lean or rich

if you have already dropped $500+ on a full exhaust might as well drop another couple hundred bucks on the module so you can get the most of the exhaust mod.
 

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It's essential to get a new fuel map with a full-exhaust if you care about getting the most power out of your free-breathing full-exhaust. It's also better for the bike.

I'll be getting mine done through Flash-Tune.com, after I loan my bike to them for a couple days so they can create a map for it. :D More to come on that and I'll be vlogging the process as we go.
I already have a area-p tuner...just checking if there is a best map out there or how does it work. Sorry, new to these kind of mods :)


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It's essential to get a new fuel map with a full-exhaust if you care about getting the most power out of your free-breathing full-exhaust. It's also better for the bike.

I'll be getting mine done through Flash-Tune.com, after I loan my bike to them for a couple days so they can create a map for it. :D More to come on that and I'll be vlogging the process as we go.
Are you sharing the new map by any chance?

Area-p give you sugested maps to go off what you have installed but I feel it still needs alot more tweaking.

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