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Hey all, I am thinking about getting a new bike next month. Unfortunately it's looking like I won't be getting a 300 this year because its s bit out of reach financially.

This is a 2009 650, the seller is asking 4,200 but told me they would be willing to take 3,500. Here's the discription from the add:
This is a green 2009 Kawasaki Ninja EX650 - $4200. It runs very well, although it has been in an accident (scratches on left side of gas tank). This bike only has 4,000 miles on it. Comes with a power commander, two-bro exhaust, 15-multicolor accent LED kit, integrated tail-light, frame sliders, and more. Just got a brand new rear tire and has been inspected top to bottom by my local dealer's service department. Please feel free to contact me with any interest. Comes with stock seat.
My main concern is that this has a R-Title. What is you thoughts on buying a bike that has been crashed, but fixed up?

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Thanks for any advice you can give me!



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My thoughts on a crashed bike are, walk away. Also, why does it only have 4,000 miles on it? Sometimes, it sounds good to have low miles, but unless you know why you could be getting yourself into a problem bike. Has it been raced EVER? Racing and having no idea how are a bike disaster waiting to happen. The " dealer's service department" inspected it to to bottom, but what did the they find in their inspection? You'll wanna see a copy of the inspection too.

Just my two cents, but unless you know the seller and how they treat their bike and know what they are saying to be true, used bikes are iffy at best. + this one comes with crash included. I would just make sure I asked EVERYTHING about the bike before purchasing and if at anytime I had a single thought of it being a bad deal, I'd walk away.

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^^^ what she said.

I wouldn't do it. It's been laid down with just a few scratches yet it has a r-title? Hmmm I'm thinking it was totaled, then bought back and fixed up.


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The seller said, it has been worked on.
She said it doesn't fit her life style and wants to get a 300 instead.
If I even go look at it I will be sure to inspect all paperwork from the repair shop. She also said it has been inspected by the state and passed inspection. But I agree I'm not 100% sure this is the way I want to go. But at this point I want to either get a 300 or a 650 but normally I couldn't afford either one if its in perfect condition. Unless I go with a per-2009 model.

Ill probably end up not buying this or any R-Title bikes but if other members had good experiences with it I may.

I'm just not sure!


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^^^ what she said.

I wouldn't do it. It's been laid down with just a few scratches yet it has a r-title? Hmmm I'm thinking it was totaled, then bought back and fixed up.


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That was my thought, if it was fixed up it shouldn't have any damage unless it was dumped after being fixed.

Thanks for the advice guys!


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I would buy a crashed bike if the price is right.. Take is for a spin, if it checks out you can get a good deal..

Just becuase its crashed doesnt mean its not fixed.. Becasue think on the flip side.. Just because they tell you everything is OK doesnt mean its not wrecked.. I have bought several used bike and could of crared less about wreck or no wreck, if everything checks out and the price it right..

Now keep in mind, there is wrecked and there WRECKED, I just look for obvious frame damage and make sure its tracks straight... If I am getting it cheap enough who cares, and the same goes for racing the bike.. Thats what a sport bike is designed for, I would not say no to it because it was raced..

Those all all just items that would adjust the price I was willing to pay and the risk I was willing to take.. Just my personal opinion..

The people above said they would walk away.. Would the walk away if the bike look just like that and cost only $100??? Hell no and they would ride the crap out of the bike. so see it all depends on the price haha.. Look at not only what is it worth in general but what its worth to you, make an offer see what they say...

I dont know anything about those 650R prices so couldnt tell you what I would say to a $3500 price though..
 

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The KBB value on this bike is just under $4,500 I may just go in at 2,500 and see what she says. I haven't even seen the bike yet, but if she agrees I may have to go see it for that price. I will of course ride it and see how it feels. Also it's winter here and snowing at this very moment so I'm sure this would be a hard sell anyway. I guess the worse case she says no then I'm not out anything.


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If KBB is $4500, just based on the rebuilt title I would offer a little more than 1/2 that TOPS, I say $2500 is fair... At $2500 you could probably part it out and get your money back..

All states are different, but in mine you can not insure a rebuilt title for anything but liability.. Something you may want to look into if you planned on insuring it..
 

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I bought my scooter and it was a crashed bike, had some body work damage, but I bought it from a guy who owned a body shop, he repaired all the body work and painted it. however. he dindt touch it mechanically he said, bc it worked.

Its been a great scooter for me with no issues at all. Other than my obsession to modify it lol

I dont mind crashed bikes or cars if they seem like they aren't totaled, meaning frame damage. if the price is right and you can fix it. why not.

if your gonna fret about low miles or whatever small things, then your overly cautious and you should just buy new. Not always a bad thing.

Up to you to decide if its worth it in the end, no harm in checking it out and seeing if its in mechanical order.
check the spark plug, check compression, do all those basic checks if you can.
 
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If your going to make an offer I would go in person, I sell cars and for the most part people who dont come in to make an offer sound like bored kids planning on the internet and she may take to 2500 if you show up with tha cash. because unless you sell stuff for a living people get really annoyed with window shoppers and just want to get rid of stuff, that and credit card bills are coming from christmas for most people!
 

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I say buy it I have a 2009 650r and they r great machines
 

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Uh...
They are 2 different bikes
I love the 300. It is awesome for the city, can cruise ok on highway and plenty of power
HOWEVER....

The 650r is a totally different BEAST
And i do mean BEAST

People will tell you the 650r is a beginner bike. I agree that a beginner can ride it
but i don't think it is necessarily a beginner bike. I upgraded mine, put brand new
sprockets, new chain and pirelli rosso II tires on it. The thing was fast before
but now it is crazy. It can do 40 in first and still have rpm left and it will snap
your head back. I have read that it does 0 to 60 in 3.8 seconds. I have never
taken it that fast but i can say that it definitely feels like it can do that.

The 300 is an awesome all around bike my complaint with the 300 is the highway.
It will keep highway speeds just fine, more than fast enough yet it is so light
and i know so little about setting it up that i have yet to feel comfortable on
the highway with it. This lack of comfort zone makes me drive slower than i should
which limits the amount of riding i can do with it

Another thing i will note... the 650r is so powerful that it makes me drive the 300
better. What i mean is that after a ride on the 650r i go get on the 300 and all the
sudden i am shifting at 10k , leaning more into corners. Its not that the 300 wasnt
good to begin with, its that as i build up experience its easier to ride

My recommendation is this...if you want a brand new bike that you will love
get the 300. 4770 brand new without abs and 5300 new is awesome. If you
want a beast that every time you twist the handle your feet slide out from under
you i say get the 650. I have both and my next bike will probably be the 636 but
that will be at least a year from now and only if i hit something big in poker or
else win the lotto. The others curb the need for that kind of speed

Good luck, if you ever come to tenn ill let u ride both and u can decide which u
like better.
 

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Uh...
They are 2 different bikes
I love the 300. It is awesome for the city, can cruise ok on highway and plenty of power
HOWEVER....

The 650r is a totally different BEAST
And i do mean BEAST

People will tell you the 650r is a beginner bike. I agree that a beginner can ride it
but i don't think it is necessarily a beginner bike. I upgraded mine, put brand new
sprockets, new chain and pirelli rosso II tires on it. The thing was fast before
but now it is crazy. It can do 40 in first and still have rpm left and it will snap
your head back. I have read that it does 0 to 60 in 3.8 seconds. I have never
taken it that fast but i can say that it definitely feels like it can do that.

The 300 is an awesome all around bike my complaint with the 300 is the highway.
It will keep highway speeds just fine, more than fast enough yet it is so light
and i know so little about setting it up that i have yet to feel comfortable on
the highway with it. This lack of comfort zone makes me drive slower than i should
which limits the amount of riding i can do with it

Another thing i will note... the 650r is so powerful that it makes me drive the 300
better. What i mean is that after a ride on the 650r i go get on the 300 and all the
sudden i am shifting at 10k , leaning more into corners. Its not that the 300 wasnt
good to begin with, its that as i build up experience its easier to ride

My recommendation is this...if you want a brand new bike that you will love
get the 300. 4770 brand new without abs and 5300 new is awesome. If you
want a beast that every time you twist the handle your feet slide out from under
you i say get the 650. I have both and my next bike will probably be the 636 but
that will be at least a year from now and only if i hit something big in poker or
else win the lotto. The others curb the need for that kind of speed

Good luck, if you ever come to tenn ill let u ride both and u can decide which u
like better.
Thanks for that Icon! I wish you lived closer to me!

I know I would rather get a 300, I only have experience on my 250 and never rode anything else except when I took the MSC here in Ohio.

I really want to get a different bike for this summer just because the 07 just looks a bit outdated, I like the newer styling from the 08's and above on the 250's but if I'm going to get a newer bike I think I would rather have a bit more power. Not to mention FI and I do like the electronic clusters.

I'm 6'4" so I'm sure the 650 will fit me good, but I do really like the 300 that is where my heart is at the moment.

To be honest it really does boil down to the wife's approval ( You know happy Wife, Happy life ) it is all true!

I may just see if a dealer will take my 250 and maybe 3k, it's a bit of a long shot I suppose though!


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actually u should come really close with that. if u need wifes approval get the 650 she can ride as well and its already depreciated. the 300 is awesome . I traded my 11 250r and 1k for the 650
im sure u can get a good deal with ur bike and 3k
 

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my $.02:

do you NEED a new bike or merely WANT a new bike? there is a distinct difference and the reason i ask is this specifically: you stated you were going to buy a new bike next month even though you can't afford it. my suggestion: wait a few more months and sock some more money aside. if you have the patience to do so, there are a few things that could happen. you might find some A used 300s that have a lower price with the same benefits B a completely different model you want altogether C a lower MSRP on a brand new Ninja D a great financing incentive for the intro of riding season in the Mid-Western states.

another alternative if you have decent experience with bikes and have an idea what is supposed to work and what isnt is to check craigslist. i know a lot of people who have scored killer deals (and i mean that in a GOOD way) on craigslist simply by keeping eyes open and arriving with cash in hand... hell even though i have my 300 and am MORE than happy with it, i still look because god knows if i ever saw a sexy 600 ANYTHING for a GREAT price i might be hard pressed to resist...
 

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btw I put 600 down on the 300 payments are 104.50 a month with 2 percent interest. if u trade ur bike and 3k u shpuld at worst case be at 1k left if not even and I know u can afford 100 a month
 

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my $.02:

do you NEED a new bike or merely WANT a new bike? there is a distinct difference and the reason i ask is this specifically: you stated you were going to buy a new bike next month even though you can't afford it. my suggestion: wait a few more months and sock some more money aside. if you have the patience to do so, there are a few things that could happen. you might find some A used 300s that have a lower price with the same benefits B a completely different model you want altogether C a lower MSRP on a brand new Ninja D a great financing incentive for the intro of riding season in the Mid-Western states.

another alternative if you have decent experience with bikes and have an idea what is supposed to work and what isnt is to check craigslist. i know a lot of people who have scored killer deals (and i mean that in a GOOD way) on craigslist simply by keeping eyes open and arriving with cash in hand... hell even though i have my 300 and am MORE than happy with it, i still look because god knows if i ever saw a sexy 600 ANYTHING for a GREAT price i might be hard pressed to resist...
yeh ive been drooling over this 2002 r6 fir 2 grand. my income tax is not here yet but damn....
 

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