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So for the first oil change i do other then dealers 600mile service im at 2599 miles and i asked the dealer a while ago if i could put some fancy synthetic oil at 3k and he said dont do it and do it at like 4k would 3.5k be alright? I think i want some fancy green french oil :D
 

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Engines come with synthetic from factory? This is my first auto purchase >.>
Some do some don't.

The whole synthetic vs. natural oil decision is very personal. Some high-performance vehicles don't recommend synthetic oil at all (e.g. Infiniti recommends only natural oil in the G37), so there can't be any significant benefits inherent to synthetic oils.
 

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Take a look at any high performance car engine (Sorry, Nissan NA V6 engines don't count) and they almost exclusively run synthetic. Mercedes AMG? Mobil 1. BMW M? Same. Corvette, Cadillac V, Porsche? Synthetic. Is there a difference in synthetic oils? Absolutely. Some are just regular oil that is super heated to burn out impurities, and then cooled and called a synthetic. Others (Mobil 1 for example) are actually built from the ground up as a synthetic oil. Do a little research, you'll find there are many benefits to synthetic over dino oil. I run Mobil 1 in everything I own, and after opening up a motor to adjust valves at 120k miles and there being no wear on anything, i'll keep running it.

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We've know tons of guys and ran both in our new bikes. No issues either way so it does become personal preference.
But of course, IF anything was to happen with the SYNTH oil in there, that will be the first thing that gets any blame..
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I gave up on the oil synthetic oil craze.. I just saved so much money by switching back.. I have alot of engines at my house and it was EXPENSIVE to do synthetic on them all.. I dont keep anything until it dies from being worn out.. I do about 40 quarts of oil a year for everything I own.. I was doing Mobile 1 for it all.. Now I switched to plain oil Mobile.. Same company just not synthetic.. Its 1/2 the price as well..

I am not even sure if I will run it in this bike.. The only reason I would want to is because of the high RPM its always running at..
 

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The only reason I would want to is because of the high RPM its always running at..
That would be my only consideration for running synthetic as due to the high rpm as mentioned by cbzdel, some of the higher quality oils contain detergents and anti foaming properties for such said revolutions and the extreme stresses and strains that high rpm, small displacement motors tend to try and contain.

But that being said I also own a 1987 VL Calais Turbo (motor:RB30ET)........I will run nothing else but mineral oils in that motor, all the synthetics give a bit of sticky lifter syndrome. Synthetic they say you can run more kms without an oil change.......bugger that. I do mine every 5000, no more.

Again is a personal choice, but I would always buy a quality mineral oil over a synthetic. Use this theory.......... buy mineral oil at 1/3 to half the price of a synthetic, change the oil twice as often. You will still save $$$ and your motors internals will be the much better for it after many thousands of km's from having kept fresh oil in it constantly.

And is always a plus to change the spark plug and oil filter when you change your oil each time, old filters creates dirty oil very quickly and for the sake of a few bucks having a new spark plug each time will do wonders for your bike, your power and your economy. Not to mention your own peace of mind knowing you are maintaining your bike to the best possible level you can afford.
 

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yeah, personal choice, i run regular, its cheaper, and does the job. I do a lot of my own maintenance on all my machines, even rebuilt motors, and regular seems to do the job just fine.

Also I would liek to add, its a myth that you cant flip flop between synthetic and regular oil, makes no real difference.
 

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have a read thru this from Mobil 1

http://www.mobil1.com.au/academy/myth.aspx



Below is a list of motor vehicle engines for which Mobil 1 is the manufacturer's selected factory fill:

  • Acura RDX engines
  • Aston Martin engines
  • Bentley Vehicles engines
  • Cadillac CTS, CTS-V, Escalade, XLR, XLR-V, SRX and STS and STS-V engines
  • Chevrolet Corvette C6 and Z06 engines
  • Chevrolet TrailBlazer SS engines
  • Chrysler 300C SRT-8 engines
  • Chevrolet Cobalt SS engines
  • Dodge Charger SRT-8, and Magnum SRT-8 engines
  • Holden Special Vehicles engines
  • Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT-8 engines
  • Mercedes-AMG Vehicles engines
  • Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren engines
  • Mitsubishi Evolution engines
  • Nissan GT-R engines
  • Pontiac Solstice GXP engines
  • All Porsche Vehicles engines
  • Saturn Ion Red Line and Saturn Sky Red Line engines
  • Dodge Viper engines

Therefore, Mobil 1 is used in a car, even before you drive it off the showroom floor.


in your motorcycle you want Mobil 1 Racing 4T


this stuff
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil1_Racing_4T_10W-40.aspx

i have been using it for years. biggest difference in any motorcycle i have even seen with this stuff was my 2000 model VFR800. dropped this stuff in and the temp gauge dropped by 7 degrees and never used to get any near as hot as what it did running any other oil.gear changes were as slick as snot as well. used it on every road i have ever needed to service, and love the stuff.
 

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My Prius and Fiat both came with synthetic oil. All Piaggio bikes like the Tuono, RSV, Vespa, and even a 50cc Sportcity scooter...they all come with full synthetic from the factory too. As far as the first oil change, that seems to be different. For the Prius it is 10,000 miles for the first oil change which is longer than usually recommended fro the first oil change. Fiat it's at 6 months, and the Piaggio bikes all call for the first oil and filter change at 600 miles, so apparently there is still break-in metal in the synthetic oil, just like with dino oil. Anecdotal cause when I do that first oil change, both the filter and oil always look brand new. Someone said if you look closely you can see shiny metal flakes in it, but I can't. ?? With my Triumph, they did start out with dino oil and went to synthetic at 500 miles. As you can see, the recommendations are all over the place. Some say use it from the beginning to never use it. I got my dino oil out at 45 miles and put in full synthetic for my Ninja 300. Seems like with time, more and more mechanics are recommending synthetic earlier and earlier though.
 

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One thing we've also noticed, is that alot of guys switch to SYNTH oil and keep the same change intervals, therefore NOT taking advantage of the extra mileage between changes that SYNTH oil is supposed to give you. Really gets $$ heavy that way.

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exactly like hardracing said. synth oil costs more because it is SAFE to run in HIGH PERFORMANCE engines for triple the length of a dino oil.

dino oil = the 3k mile oil change dude. synth can run from 10k-15k miles. on my car I run it for 10k miles because i am too lazy to send it off to be analyzed. if i were to do 3.3 dino oil changes my price would almost be the same as the euro synthetic oil i buy but my protection would not be as good. if you want to change your oil all the time stick with dino.
 

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I did a hard break-in so I changed first at 45 miles and went to Rotella T6 full synthetic 5W40. My next change will be at 800 miles, then once a year after that. Those first two changes are to get the break-in metal out of the oil and filter. We have some hot summers here in Texas and my engines and oil gets hot. One of the characteristics of full synthetic is resistence to heat break-down. I may have posted this before, but here is the schedule and break-in I use: http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/NewBike.html
 

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I plan on using sythetic after the break in period. My previous car I ran nothing but Mobil 1 and after 200,000 miles the factory internals were at stock spec with very little wear. I don't run my oil longer than 4,000 miles regardless of the type.
 

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More and more cars and motorcycles come with synthetic oil. My Prius did. Almost all Piaggio motorcycles...Vespa, Aprilia Tuono, RSV4, even the little 50cc Sportcity Scooter comes with 5W40 AGIP full synthetic. I seriously doubt they would send out a race bike with full synthetic if it were better to use dino oil. There are other factors though. With the Prius, they provide free SCHEDULED oil changes for 2 years. Since they put synthetic oil in it, you supposedly do not need an oil change until 10,000 miles or 1 year. That could very well be to decrease their maintenance costs as much as to protect the engine. Usually when a certain motorcycle brand recommends a specific oil, it is one they make themselves like Yamalube or one they have a special deal with to get their oil at greatly reduced prices. In the case of the Piaggio motorcycles/scooters, AGIP is the big Italian oil company and I think Piaggio probably gets their synthetic oil cheap. I change over to full synthetic (if it isn't already in the bike) after the first 50-200 miles depending on how hard I break in my bike. Oh yes, my Street Triple r came with full synthetic too.
 
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