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Texas Gov. Greg Abbott signed the open carry bill (and campus carry bill) into law. Effective Jan 1, 2016 people with the appropriate concealed carry license will be able to open carry a handgun.

Unfortunately the bill will also allow the police to "stop and check" to see if you have a license in direct violation of Terry v. Ohio. (In which the Supreme Court said that a lawfully carried firearm cannot be the sole reason for a stop.)

You can also expect openly hostile, 2nd amendment hating, police chiefs like Austin PD's Art Acevedo to instruct his little minions to make life miserable for anyone who dares exercise their rights. He'll instruct his minions in blue to treat each stop as a felony stop and make you lay down in a filthy gutter while they disarm you and detain you out in the sun for several hours (without water) while they try their level best to fabricate some sort of charges against you. Even after they discover you're lawfully carrying they'll fail to return your firearm all the while questioning you in an effort to find something to charge you with.

Anyway, I digress. Does anyone plan to carry while they ride?

Or, if you live somewhere where it's already legal, do you carry while riding?
 

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Texas Gov. Greg Abbott signed the open carry bill (and campus carry bill) into law. Effective Jan 1, 2016 people with the appropriate concealed carry license will be able to open carry a handgun.

Unfortunately the bill will also allow the police to "stop and check" to see if you have a license in direct violation of Terry v. Ohio. (In which the Supreme Court said that a lawfully carried firearm cannot be the sole reason for a stop.)

You can also expect openly hostile, 2nd amendment hating, police chiefs like Austin PD's Art Acevedo to instruct his little minions to make life miserable for anyone who dares exercise their rights. He'll instruct his minions in blue to treat each stop as a felony stop and make you lay down in a filthy gutter while they disarm you and detain you out in the sun for several hours (without water) while they try their level best to fabricate some sort of charges against you. Even after they discover you're lawfully carrying they'll fail to return your firearm all the while questioning you in an effort to find something to charge you with.

Anyway, I digress. Does anyone plan to carry while they ride?

Or, if you live somewhere where it's already legal, do you carry while riding?
I would always worry about getting pulled over, even if it's legal. they already look at us as criminals, now they would think we are armed criminals. I support the right to do so, just don't see it being a good idea during a confrontation with the police. we don't need to give them anymore reasons to be twitchy
 

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I plan on getting my conceal carry permit by the end of the year along with a Glock 17 9mm. When that happens I'll be carrying on the bike (concealed) and in the cage. Almost everywhere I go basically.
 

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Lot of debate on this. I have a thigh holster which I never use as it made me look... well... kinda stupid but maybe I might look a little better with it on while on a bike. Too afraid of falling on a bike with a hip holster and sporting an injury more than just a bruise. As for right now, I do not plan to carry while riding.

I own a CCP and live in VA so our laws a little more lax compared to other states. I carry a 9mm HK USP Compact
 

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Carry G17 concealed? LOL. That's not going to last long. It's just too big and uncomfortable to CCW. Unless you have massively big hands that requires a full size hand gun like a G17, why not carry the G19? A little smaller and lighter.

But if I had to opportunity to CCW (which I don't in NJ), I wouldn't do a G19 either. I'd choose something with a slimmer and smaller profile just so I can be really comfortable. It probably won't have a double stacked magazine.

If I were going to CCW, I think I'd choose a G43.

But if you're going to CCW a G17, if you're a relatively skinny guy, you're going to be printing pretty obviously. I'm pretty skinny and it's pretty easy to spot my G19 when I have it in my IWB holster.
 

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Concealed carry is legal in MA. I never carry, I never felt the need to, hopefully I never will. My interest in firearms was born at the qualification range while in the Army and has never left the range, whether military or civilian. I do immensely enjoy shooting both my long guns and my hand guns on steel plates, some as far as 220 yards (yesterday I hit a 12"x12" steel plate at 220 yards on iron sights with a 7.65 Argentine 1981 Mauser on third or fourth try, and to my amazement I hit an 8" round steel plate at same 220 yards distance with my 44 Magnum single action revolver, on 7th try). Today I shot for the first time a 460 s&w round (the fastest handgun cartridge ever, at 2300 fps): rather stout I should say. So yeah, I love shooting my guns OK.

However, open carry in my view is downright asinine in today's society.
I am not the only one to think as such: two days ago I took a handgun class at Sig Sauer Academy in NH and the instructor (can I say it again: the instructor) shared with us that in NH open carry is legal yet he is not sure it is a smart move to do it because you open yourself up to charges of disturbing the peace by freaking out everybody around you- people that are not sure whether the dude next to them sporting that 1911 at the hip is not the next James Boulware/ mental health afflicted wacko. Aand I would personally not blame those people either, given the daily picks of choice shootings all throughout our gun crazed country .

Aren't you sick of what just happened in the beautiful state of yours? That governor of yours is plain out of his fucking mind- last thing needed in college campuses is guns in the hand of every testosterone filled idiot that just got mad cause the math professor had the balls to give HIM a D-.

Just like with filtering (and concealed carry for that matter)- even if it was legal in my state I would not do it as I find it a very bad idea (by the way just think about it. Let's take that sacred scenario that every Soldier of Fortune fan has closest to heart: the so called "when the shit hits the fan" garbage. If I was a bad guy and I wanted to take down a few dudes, who do you think I't take down FIRST? The ones that open carry, because they are my immediate threat. In other words- you. The ones that conceal carry will probably survive the first round of fireworks and will actually have a chance to terminate me when I will eventually have to reload).

Anyways. It is sad to say this, but responsible gun owners (as I like to consider myself) loathe some of their own- precisely the out of control gun nuts that go to the mall with the AR16 slung around the shoulders, just because "they can" and it's "their right".
And the reason is simple: these are the people that will eventually turn the tide against us all, including people like me, wanting to be proficient with their tools of military trade, and/or just wanting to pursue a hobby at the range, and maybe occasionally hunt. Normal people, respectful of others' need for personal comfort zone, as we all should be in a thriving society.
Normal people, that are seeing their hobby disappear little by little, day by day, because the larger population is getting fed up with all sorts of nutjobs that have a complete disregard of the majority's want to be able to go around their normal lives without having to walk their kindergarten kid past the honcho with the big guns in the open.
That's why more and more states pass more and more limiting legislation by the day- mass punishment because of a few idiots and unfortunate mentally sick dudes that keep the killing sprees going and ratchet up common aversion towards firearms in general by flaunting their perceived "right" to pose as immediate threat to everybody else even in such ordinary places as malls and college campuses.
 

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Thousandwords, your post was very well put! I share the same feelings with open carry. I just don't trust people. I don't know if you're the season 4 winner of Top Shot or some nut job that has anger issues. If it's concealed, at least I won't know about it.

Also, open carry can be a target. If a bunch of thugs walked up and they all pulled out their weapons, I'm sure the responsible citizen that was open carrying that $3,000 1911 will have to kiss it good bye.

Just like with filtering (and concealed carry for that matter)- even if it was legal in my state I would not do it as I find it a very bad idea
I disagree with filtering. There's a time and place. I would not do it on a suburban road with 2 lanes in each direction if we were moving more than 25mph (which is always the case here in NJ).

But in NYC or Boston (or any major metropolitan for that matter), the traffic is just horrific at times. Legal or not, I've filtered because the freeway was like a parking lot.

As an example, I was filtering in 1st gear going between 10-15mph. The vehicles I was passing....they were going between 0-5mph. I'm sorry, but I'm willing to take the risk of getting a ticket for filtering in this situation.



OK, BACK ON TOPIC!
 

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I just took the NRA Basic Pistol Course (kind of like Basic Rider Course - some theory, some range shooting), and while both concealed and open carry are legal in CT, the instructor strongly advised against open carry because it just makes folks unnecessarily nervous. People have been detained for "disturbing the peace" because they open-carried.

If/when I get my license, I won't carry at all. When I was a wee conscript in the German military, shooting on the range was one of the few times I enjoyed myself, so the range is all I'm interested in. I live in a super safe area, quite rural and moderately rich, and I am apprehensive about how close you are to becoming a felon whenever you own a weapon.
 

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When I lived in Tucson, many people open carried and no one seemed to really care. There weren't shootouts every day and people weren't drawing on each other in the streets. I am sure the same is true in Alaska and they have a statistically higher occurrence of depression as well. The amount of people killed by firearms is till lower than those killed by motor vehicles but I don't see people shrinking back in fear from some other person's SUV. Only in places where firearms have been grossly stigmatized, do we see issues with the public fearing the tool. We didn't have anti-vehicle campaigns when some crazy guy drove his SUV into a preschool killing a bunch of kids instantly with his vehicle. Every Saturday morning at 0600 on KTLA news I have seen multiple stories of homicidal hit and runs going on 5 months STRAIGHT! I walk into work first thing in the morning and see that some other lady(generally) has been ran over and left for dead with the person fleeing the scene. It barely gets any news coverage. Relegated to ridiculous time slots that no one is really up to watch or cares about. I bet if some crazy people executed 1 random person every Saturday morning in my area you'd see a hell of a lot more coverage about it. Especially in CA that has a very strongly built-in anti-firearm agenda, we're a society that demonizes the tool at every chance that we get and ignore anything that deflates that case. The confirmation bias for this is extremely against firearms at here and they make it sound like the devil has possessed all firearms and is out to hunt little children.

It's actually kinda sad that people would not exercise their own rights if they want to in fear of making others uncomfortable. Our forefathers and framers of the Constitution were afraid of this very issue and wanted prevent this very thing from happening. They referred to it as the "tyranny of the majority." The views and opinions and wants of the majority, automatically outweighing and drowning out the needs and wants of the minority. By shrinking back and accepting this, you've handed over your very constitutionally given right to public majority. This same public majority more than 60 years ago by the way, didn't believe black people had the right to equality or even vote.
If what you want to do is fully legal, and protected, you should go and do it and not worry about what "others" think. If you look at a place like Alaska or Tucson where a huge portion of the population open carries and the crime rate is still declining, it deflates the anti-firearm agenda. By hiding and conceding to them, you are giving them the go ahead to further reach and strip your Second Amendment rights. They're like government, the more you give them, the more they'll try and take. When firearm owners oppose open carry, they use it as "ammunition" against carrying altogether and work their way to attempt firearm bans. We saw it in California just recently. We had open carry, the Antis won their agenda due to having a liberal majority in the Senate and Assembly and governor and open carry was made illegal. They then made new sub-laws that gave LEO chiefs more room to deny CCW licenses. Later we then saw San Francisco do an outright BAN on personally owned firearms with LA drafting sister legislation. The Federal courts thankfully intervened and struck down the San Francisco law but we still have a bunch of other things that were added in place that have made being a firearm owner in CA akin to being a democratic Christian in an ISIS convention. Many so-called firearm owners and Second Amendment enthusiasts were polled and the Antis used it as grounds to strike down open carry in CA.

So in the end, open carry for places that have it, is an integral part of your Second Amendment rights in your state. It is often very closely linked to concealed carry and those in the anti-firearm crows like to use the compromising nature of firearm owners as a way to divide them and defeat them piecemeal. You should use places like Chicago, Washington D.C., New York and California as examples of what can happen if you concede and try to meet with them halfway. The opposition is going to take it and run with it and firearm owners are going to quickly find themselves facing an uphill battle that they may not be able to win.

It's a right that's for now guaranteed you by the constitution. If we keep on being "meh" about it, it may just see the necessary votes needed to amend the Second Amendment right out of the Bill of Rights. Whether it's open carry, concealed carry or even rights to ownership, we should be standing firm and not conceded to the majority. We DO have things in place to protect the minority but that minority has to stand up for it's own rights to use them.

If a police force really wants to use such strong armed methods, there are plenty of pro 2nd lawyers around and you'll have a VERY easy win in court when you sue them for millions. Bonus if you're an ethnic minority. It's why I highly doubt that the police will go out of it's way to handle such cases different or target open carry owners specifically because that'd open them up to litigation that would be backed by one of the most powerful interest groups in the country. Especially in Texas where most every Republican politician lives off of the NRA/ILA backing. It's actually how Texas was able to sign this law in the first place.
 

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Carry G17 concealed? LOL. That's not going to last long. It's just too big and uncomfortable to CCW. Unless you have massively big hands that requires a full size hand gun like a G17, why not carry the G19? A little smaller and lighter.

But if I had to opportunity to CCW (which I don't in NJ), I wouldn't do a G19 either. I'd choose something with a slimmer and smaller profile just so I can be really comfortable. It probably won't have a double stacked magazine.

If I were going to CCW, I think I'd choose a G43.

But if you're going to CCW a G17, if you're a relatively skinny guy, you're going to be printing pretty obviously. I'm pretty skinny and it's pretty easy to spot my G19 when I have it in my IWB holster.
You're right.. Didn't think it through enough.. I'll figure it out though, maybe have it in my camel bak when I'm riding then take it out when I stop. Naw, I like the g17. My bro has one and I like it pretty good. I will carry regardless, I have heard too many sad stories that could've been avoided if a law abiding citizen was exercising his 2nd amendment rights.
 

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No OC in SC, but I do conceal carry. I just started doing so on the bike recently, but always did in my cage for the past few years. Since we can't open carry, I'm always worried my shirt will come up or something. So far it hasn't been a problem. I carry a S&W 642 as it's the smallest gun and would print the least. If I step up to something larger, I think I'm going to look into a more secure holster than my Remora (that I love for every other situation)
 

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If you're going to open carry, carry the relatively biggest gun you can comfortably shoot. You only carry the smaller models as a compromise to decrease footprint and reduce the chance of printing. If you're going to use lethal force, the larger version of the firearm will give you better accuracy and control over it's sub-compact derivative. The smaller the gun gets, the more energetic the gun will feel and the harder follow-up shots will be. I used to cringe when I'd see some guy come into the gun shop/range to buy his wife who is a new shooter, a snub nose .357. You're giving the poor woman a little hand canon without the mass of metal to absorb that energy.

This is of course, if you're going to open carry. That Glock 17 would be just about perfect. If you're in a situation where you're concealed carry or can't open carry, then it has to be large enough to maintain control while still being concealable to your body type. Printing will get you in trouble with the law in a lot of these states real quick.
 

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Wow I think Alabama may have been gun laws when it comes to carrying than Texas now. Here in alabama you do not need a permit to open to carry. Just have to be 19 and posses a handgun. Conceal is now 19 as well and that just requires a free application from the local sheriff and $20/year up to 5 years at a time. Personally I plan to carry while I ride but am not sure where yet. I'm thinking on the left side of the chest. But I have some more research to do.
Carry G17 concealed? LOL. That's not going to last long. It's just too big and uncomfortable to CCW. Unless you have massively big hands that requires a full size hand gun like a G17, why not carry the G19? A little smaller and lighter.

But if I had to opportunity to CCW (which I don't in NJ), I wouldn't do a G19 either. I'd choose something with a slimmer and smaller profile just so I can be really comfortable. It probably won't have a double stacked magazine.

If I were going to CCW, I think I'd choose a G43.

But if you're going to CCW a G17, if you're a relatively skinny guy, you're going to be printing pretty obviously. I'm pretty skinny and it's pretty easy to spot my G19 when I have it in my IWB holster.
It's easy to carry a full size firearm without sacrificing comfort and mobility. It just comes down to having a good quality holster. Personally I have concealed a 4.5" XDM without issue and my current EDC is a G19. The 19 is super easy to conceal and goes everywhere with me (work, grocery store, mall, etc.). My G42 on the other hand is mostly a pocket gun or my girlfriend carries it. I'll probably start off carrying my G42 or G43 with an extra magazine or two. Then once comfortable look for a good shoulder holster for the G19.
 
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Here in PA I have a concealed carry permit. I don't "carry" often, it depends on the situation. Last year a state trooper was shot and killed and the felon was on the loose in the forest for weeks. I have a cabin not far from where that occurred, so when I was there, I did carry. I use an ankle holster for my Taurus .38 revolver. It's comfortable and inconspicuous.
 

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I sell guns for a living. Some people can carry full size guns. Me being one of them. Its all about comfort level, a good gun belt, and holster. Then dressing around the gun.

I carry a CZ SP01, and sometimes and RMR'd FN FNX Tactical. Just depends on the day, and situation.

If i am trying to conceal under form fitting clothing, M&P Shield.

That being said, when I ride, i usually open carry, unless I am out riding spiritedly. Then i carry the shield.
 
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My daily CCW is a 9mm shield. However when on the bike I pocket carry a Ruger LCP 380 in a desantis pocket holster, its thinner than a wallet,so doesnt print and also weighs next to nothing. Pocket carry was the only comfortable option I found for a bike.
 

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Texas Gov. Greg Abbott signed the open carry bill (and campus carry bill) into law. Effective Jan 1, 2016 people with the appropriate concealed carry license will be able to open carry a handgun.

Unfortunately the bill will also allow the police to "stop and check" to see if you have a license in direct violation of Terry v. Ohio. (In which the Supreme Court said that a lawfully carried firearm cannot be the sole reason for a stop.)

You can also expect openly hostile, 2nd amendment hating, police chiefs like Austin PD's Art Acevedo to instruct his little minions to make life miserable for anyone who dares exercise their rights. He'll instruct his minions in blue to treat each stop as a felony stop and make you lay down in a filthy gutter while they disarm you and detain you out in the sun for several hours (without water) while they try their level best to fabricate some sort of charges against you. Even after they discover you're lawfully carrying they'll fail to return your firearm all the while questioning you in an effort to find something to charge you with.

Anyway, I digress. Does anyone plan to carry while they ride?

Or, if you live somewhere where it's already legal, do you carry while riding?
I never open carry in public, rarely at home, that invites bad guys n bad girls to shoot u first, illiterate cops routinely arrest permit holders for open carry. TN starts handgun carry without permit in july 2021, cops warn thats safer than carry permit cuz many communist traffic cops draw down on HCP drivers same as any gangbanger punk with an armed robbery warrant. Law very complex with exceptions so firearms arrests n seizures will increase. Another problem is you dont want your handgun falling out of holster at random flying down the highway, so i carry more securely though that destroys quickdraw defense. Always best to get as much training as possible in safety, law and realworld combat, free youtube vids great for that, paid classes are a smart hobby. Insurance for lawyer defense for firearm use is a wise move, basic lawyer fee for any trial is $100,000. Many democrat prosecutors are full communist now, all selfdefenders arrested no matter the facts n law, murderous felons released without bail and charges dropped. 3 members of my family murdered this year, 1 butchered alive, zero police investigation. Im not aware of any classes for shooting moving targets from a motorcycle but you could probably design your own, watch wild west n mad max movies. Soon all guns will be banned in USSA.

 

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My daily CCW is a 9mm shield. However when on the bike I pocket carry a Ruger LCP 380 in a desantis pocket holster, its thinner than a wallet,so doesnt print and also weighs next to nothing. Pocket carry was the only comfortable option I found for a bike.
Me2 roger that but good luck finding ammo
 

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Govts murdered 200M of their own citizens in the past 103 years, not counting abortion and other irregular warfare tactics. America has murdered 250M of its own citizens in 400 years. 2021 shall be an interesting time to be alive.
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