GP shift or standard

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Candie

Discussion Starter · Feb 14, 2013

I can't decide if I want to change my 300 to GP shift since it is a street bike. If it were gonna be a track/ race bike I would for sure but I don't know what the advantages of it on just a street bike. What shift pattern do most of y'all run?

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old3

· #2 · Feb 14, 2013

Why do you think it would be a benefit anywhere? It is a neat-o sounding mod but unless you need to hit a certain corner on a specific track a certain way that requires you to shift at an exact point where this is the only option, I don't get it. Not every rider at the top of the sport used this pattern.

Coming into a corner hard, your body is forced forward, and it is natural to step down on the shifter as you move there. You are also stepping down on the rear brake, mirroring the action. Same with acceleration, pulling up as you might get forced back, (not on the 300 but you get the idea) is natural.

Secondly, jump on someone else's or your own different bike and destroy it as your muscle memory is all opposite? No thanks.

Candie

Discussion Starter · #3 · Feb 14, 2013

I have very tiny feet and so it is my much easier for me to up shift coming out of a corner. I have GP shift on my sprint bike but use standard on the endurance because a couple guys on my team can't switch back and forth. I however have no issues doing so. I was wondering if many people used it for mainly street riding. I am not tracking the 300 (at least that is what I keep telling myself lol). I haven't ridden on the street in over 5 years it takes some rethinking to get back in that mindset. :/

cbzdel

· #4 · Feb 14, 2013

I see no reason to change mine.. Plus it would only make things harder to get onto another bike that is not geared the same... But most importantly I dont exit corners at reline on a day to day basis..

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old3

· #5 · Feb 14, 2013

Tiny feet doesn't sound like a problem solved by GP shifting. It comes down to your preference. I'd have to stop and think about shifting as I ride MX/off road & sumoto too. For that reason alone it holds no interest for me.

Have you installed rear sets yet? I found the ergos to be far better as to the position of my ankle after that little adjustment.

Candie

Discussion Starter · #6 · Feb 14, 2013

The whole premiss for GP shift is slow in fast out. Going into a corner you are sitting more upright and closer to the tank, therefore easier to make adjustments in feet position. Coming out of a corner you are further back on the seat and in full lean. It is much easier to do a clutchless upshift wit GP. So yes, tiny feet have a lot do do with it. I raced for a year with standard and when I finally switched over to GP I dropped a good 3 secs off my best time. But really all that is moot as I am referring to street riding not racing. From reading I would have to get rear-set in order to GP shift the 300 anyway. I didn't have to on my RR.

old3

· #7 · Feb 15, 2013

I disagree with just about everything you said. GP shifting, as I recall, was developed to allow a hard left turn upshift without having to get your foot between the tar and the shifter which at extreme lean is impossible, hence my smaller foot observation.

Shifting has zero to do with corner speed unless you need to shift as you exit and you can't stretch the gear you are in to a point where you can shift. On the street the point is moot, as you shouldn't be that far over anyway and if you are I guess you need the 0.00001 of a second to get to the next corner that much faster than waiting 30' to shift?

Regardless of our opinions, you have a preference or you don't. Wasn't Kevin Schwantz the guy who ran normal pattern shifting right up at the front of the pack?

This article mentions body rotation being consistent with braking and normal downshifting.

http://www.sportrider.com/tips/146_0809_reverse_shift_pattern/viewall.html

Candie

Discussion Starter · #8 · Feb 15, 2013

old3 said:
I disagree with just about everything you said. GP shifting, as I recall, was developed to allow a hard left turn upshift without having to get your foot between the tar and the shifter which at extreme lean is impossible, hence my smaller foot observation.

Shifting has zero to do with corner speed unless you need to shift as you exit and you can't stretch the gear you are in to a point where you can shift. On the street the point is moot, as you shouldn't be that far over anyway and if you are I guess you need the 0.00001 of a second to get to the next corner that much faster than waiting 30' to shift?

Regardless of our opinions, you have a preference or you don't. Wasn't Kevin Schwantz the guy who ran normal pattern shifting right up at the front of the pack?

This article mentions body rotation being consistent with braking and normal downshifting.

http://www.sportrider.com/tips/146_0809_reverse_shift_pattern/viewall.html

Like you said everyone has a preference. I took aclass with Ty Howard and he was the one who suggested the GP shift for the main reason of my tiny feet. Agree or disagree is not really the point, as come Sat. I will be on my 250 endurance racing with standard shift and Sun. sprint racing with GP shift. I was simply asking about street riding.

old3

· #9 · Feb 15, 2013

I thought you wanted opinions? Which do you prefer? Just go with that. For 99.9% of the time on a track I can't see the benefit. On the street it doesn't matter at all, except if you like it.

cbzdel

· #10 · Feb 15, 2013

If you already have both styles of shifting down, then do whatever one you prefer and are more comfortable with.

I was expecting you were a newbie asking about changing to GP shift just because its what the racers use so it MUST better

Candie

Discussion Starter · #11 · Feb 15, 2013

Yeah yeah! It was just a topic of conversation. I haven't been around the street scene for a few years and just asked a question. So pretty much most used standard on the street./

old3

· #12 · Feb 15, 2013

Don't make me use my caps lock again today Candie.

Captain

· #13 · Feb 15, 2013

old3 said:
Don't make me use my caps lock again today Candie.

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Candie

Discussion Starter · #14 · Feb 15, 2013

old3 said:
Don't make me use my caps lock again today Candie.

Come on you know you want to, it would make me feel oh so special! lol

old3

· #15 · Feb 15, 2013

If I was computer literate beyond just logging in and pissin people off

I'd do a subtitle adjustment to Hitler's BMW rant video about GP shifting.

Captain

· #16 · Feb 15, 2013

LMAO

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old3

· #17 · Feb 15, 2013

I'M RIDING AROUND ZEE TRACK LIKE ZEE VILLIAGE MORONZ UND IDIOT!

DOWNZSCHIFFTING LIKE EN AZZZ WITH ZEE REGULAR SHIFT PATTERN?

MY GENERALZ AND EVEN ZEE PRIVATEZ ARE ZWOOPING PAZT ME IN ZEE CORNERZ WITH GP SZCHIFT PATTERNZ!

LIKE THE LUFTEWAFFE WITH THEIR TINY FEET AND FANCY DOWNZSCHIFTZ???

NEIN! NEIN! I WANT TO BE ZEE ONE WIFF ZEE GP SZCHIFFTING!!! EVEN FOR ZEE ZTREET RIDINGZ!

fallingbomb

· #18 · Feb 15, 2013

I got used to GP shift from my 600 at the track so I just made my ninja match. I don't need it for street riding at all. I just made it the same for consistency.

chop

· #19 · Apr 15, 2013

For me, the GP shifting is more natural compared to typical shifting.

You upshift by tapping your boot on the shifter while keeping a level footing.

Its also beneficial in the track when you risk to trap your boot between tarmac and rearset.

cruizin

· #20 · Apr 15, 2013

your bike, your shifter, change it to how ever you wish. you could get rid of it all together and do like the vfr1200 has and put in an electric shifter if that is what floats your boat

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