Kawasaki Ninja 300 Forums banner

1 - 20 of 141 Posts

·
Banned
Joined
·
1,717 Posts
Discussion Starter #1 (Edited)
This tuner arrived today.

AWESOME.

The engine now pretty much totally exceeds anything I ever expected a 250 Ninja based engine could ever be, and it was already doing that stock! The torque is even better than before, pulls clean from 2500 RPM, hauls with a hit into the low mid around 4500, then flat pulls hard to around 12500. It might fall off there just a tad but I'm having trouble shifting fast enough to avoid the limiter. It popped the front wheel off the ground in the 1-2 shift.

WOW.

Open up the exhaust, add this tuner and let it rip. I'm probably running a touch fat too, still waiting for my K&N air filter panel. I have an Akra slip on and decatted header. Area-P expects to easily exceed 40 RWHP with the K&N pods in the near future too. That will be incredible. According to their dyno in warmer air this tune should be getting down around 38.5 at the wheel.

Side benefit, I had upgraded to 93 octane last few weeks to track down a metallic tingle I could hear around 4-5k RPMs. I wrote it off as a fairing noise as the premium fuel seemed to lessen but not cure it.

Well, it is gone now. Had it earlier today, can't get it despite loading it hard uphill. It would do that everywhere before, flat land, down hill, anytime you applied fuel in that RPM range.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
187 Posts
hi old, can you post a link to the tuner?

edit: also can you give me a quick comparison between your tuner and a power commander? are they basically the same or what
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
1,717 Posts
Discussion Starter #3
Basically the same thing. Area-P is a well known Ninja 250 specialist, see ninjette.org, and they did a bunch of dyno runs with their new full exhausts, slip ons and new tune partner.

http://areapnolimits.com/home.html

My tuner was delivered within 3 days, in perfect condition and will be able to get free updated tunes from Area-P too, like when I go to a full pod/airbox delete!
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
1,717 Posts
Discussion Starter #6
Preset tune installed and you can adjust that if you want. There are adjustments right on the box in the tail section to either switch to a different map or change settings in every third of the RPM range. Bottom, third, middle third, top third. I haven't touched those yet, 30 degrees and windy as all heck.

Better left for a warm day with sticky tires!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,760 Posts
So this is more flexible than the power commander, and easier to screw up? I have been debating the power commander with auto tune opinion, this is another interesting option..
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
1,717 Posts
Discussion Starter #8
It looks like the same hardware CB, but Area-P will be continuing to develop more and more specific combo tunes. Eyeball their exhausts too. Full systems are pretty cheap. I can't speak to the quality as I've not seen one in person.

BTW, their dyno says a slip on is worth near zero HP/tq. With a tune the stock pipe put out just as much, with increases in mid that weren't bad. If I had to choose, I'd get the tuner first as you get real results right away.

The decat in the header was key for me, you gotta get a clean pipe up front, that is what is really holding the exhaust back.

I wonder what the decat, stock can and a tune would run like. :cool:
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,760 Posts
My m4 full system will be here next week, so need to figure out something :)

The power comander is different than the dfc (and area p tuner) i believe.. As with the power commander you load maps rather than twist the dials... Or am i understanding it wrong?
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
1,717 Posts
Discussion Starter #10
You can load maps in either and tweak them both. They all should come with a new performance map in them.

Like I said, Apra-P will eventually do a full dyno tune with the pod filter, and expects to clear 40 RWHP easily. I don't know if PC will go quite that far, which is why a smaller shop that specializes in the mini Ninjas is my preference here.

I had pods on my bike for the last few years, easy acces to clean them. Not sure the 300 will be as accessible though but if they pull out another 2-4 HP, I'm all over it. I have a regular K&N replacement enroute now.
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
1,717 Posts
Discussion Starter #11
Install tips. Whole job took about an hour.

I was able to drop the fairings onto the front fender and prop the fuel tank up with a 2x4.

Pull out the under rear seat tray and trim the plastic on the right front corner so the cable can run smoothly under the steel brace back there. It smooths the angle of the wire and no possibility of the seat pan crushing/damaging the wire. The tray pops out with 2 cotters and 2 pins. Very simple.

Loosen the next forward brace to fit everything under it.

Pull out the battery cover and trim that along the right side too to allow the cable to pass without obstruction.

I needed to use a long needle nose plier to release the right side injector connector.

Be sure to run the wires under the heavy cable under the tank, good room in there to stash everything and it pluged right in.

I have been replacing the factory bolts as I go along with KTM and Husky 8mm head bolts for everything in 5 and 6mm. This allows you to tear it apart with a single 8mm T handle. What a treat to have this on a bike, I was spoiled by no Japanese bikes for years! Seat, fairings, side panels are now one size tool instead of 3.

Next time I pull the front top black covers those phillips screws are gone too! Starting to strip their heads already. cheesy junk.
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
1,717 Posts
Discussion Starter #12
I've had it get from 51 MPG to 63 as a best. Usually right at 53-54 MPG. I'm not riding for economy, just doing what I do and let the chips fall. It can probably get 65 every day with a conservative, light rider. According to that magazine road test competition, it can get 104 MPG!
That must have been a boring ride! Problem is, mine was pinging. I don't care if it get 45 MPG now as long as;

1. It doesn't ping and kill itself anymore.

2. That it runs like a raped ape!

It now has that entertaining top end pull. It was just making noise up in the top end before. It was hard to complain as the mid was just brilliant and smooth, but now it actually hits hard and tops out the forks at 4500 RPM and just screams to redline. I've lost nothing in the mid except that uber smooth transition of torque. I'll live with that, it has some personality now.

I'll let you know what the MPG look like as I get a few tanks thru it and hopefully I can resist the new top end wail! :eek:
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,760 Posts
Guess here is where i am confused, you have a decatted header and a non area p muffler, and they provided you with a tune? You just told them what you have and they hook you up? If that is the case it sound alot simpler a power commander.. There are ZERO maps right now for power.commander, you either need a auto tune or a dyno tune to make it work.

You should of done a block off plate with the tank open and ditch the unneeded parts :)
 

·
Hero of Time
Joined
·
1,352 Posts
Guess here is where i am confused, you have a decatted header and a non area p muffler, and they provided you with a tune? You just told them what you have and they hook you up? If that is the case it sound alot simpler a power commander.. There are ZERO maps right now for power.commander, you either need a auto tune or a dyno tune to make it work.

You should of done a block off plate with the tank open and ditch the unneeded parts :)

there will be only so many tunes...

stock with pod filter
stock
full exhaust
full exhaust with pod filter
slip on only
slip on with pod filter

if you decat OEM pipe and have any slip on you have a full system and can request that map from them...

you don't have to be like i have a yoshimura header and leo vince slip on can you make me a personal tune.... you just use the full exhaust tune they provide
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
1,717 Posts
Discussion Starter #15
I requested their tune for their full decatted header system and open can. I've got many years of racing and tuning under my belt. I am not racing this lil thing but want an aggressive, but safe, street tune. I'll mess with it as I get used to it and when some traction comes my way again.

I don't need a full blown dyno tune to get every single last edge it has, yet! :D

The fact that my preignition is gone is a relief. I wasn't even sure that was what it was anymore till the tune eliminated it.
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
1,717 Posts
Discussion Starter #17
Guess here is where i am confused, you have a decatted header and a non area p muffler, and they provided you with a tune? You just told them what you have and they hook you up? If that is the case it sound alot simpler a power commander.. There are ZERO maps right now for power.commander, you either need a auto tune or a dyno tune to make it work.

You should of done a block off plate with the tank open and ditch the unneeded parts :)
A good reason to go with this one then! My tank will be off again. I'll eyeball that stuff then. It is just air injection, right?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,760 Posts
Add to the mix, I emailed them and they hooked me up. They just asked what mods I had and I told them.. 3 days latter I had the kit in hand!

Installed it.. Like Old3 said, OMG its a whole new bike!!! Constant power!!!
 
1 - 20 of 141 Posts
Top