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being a totally new bike I think after guys get past the break-in we can expect to see some problems, hopefully nothing to worry about too much.
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What I thought was my not used to the RPMs I noticed may be a slight issue.. My problem was I thought I was killing it be not clutching in in time when slowing down.. Well I was messing around and noticed this..
If I am going down any fairly steep hill, which there are ALOT in my area, and say I am in 6th and need to slow down so I start to slow and downshift to say 3rd.. Then somewhat engine brake to slow down even more, at this point my RPMs are are 3000-4000 and I clutch in to downshift again, the RPM drop so low it kills the bike. It does this maybe 2 out of 10 times. I notice when it doesnt happen the RPM drops to 1000 for a brief second. Now idle is what 1500 or so, so maybe those 2 out of 10 times it dropping slightly lower than 1000 RPM and killing it..
Weirdest thing is that it ONLY happens when engine braking and going down a hill at the same time..
If I am going down any fairly steep hill, which there are ALOT in my area, and say I am in 6th and need to slow down so I start to slow and downshift to say 3rd.. Then somewhat engine brake to slow down even more, at this point my RPMs are are 3000-4000 and I clutch in to downshift again, the RPM drop so low it kills the bike. It does this maybe 2 out of 10 times. I notice when it doesnt happen the RPM drops to 1000 for a brief second. Now idle is what 1500 or so, so maybe those 2 out of 10 times it dropping slightly lower than 1000 RPM and killing it..
Weirdest thing is that it ONLY happens when engine braking and going down a hill at the same time..
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Interesting... Every time I downshift while going downhill my RPMs jump a lot. I never even have to accelerate to keep my engine going. Could you offer more details?
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If you were moving and put the bike in too high a gear or failed to pull in the clutch in time as slowing down, the bike would buck and sputter very noticeably before it shut down and it would only shut down if you were in say 3rd gear at 5 mph and upon discovering this, tried to accelerate rather than pull in the clutch to down shift or just allowed the bike to come nearly to a stop and didn't use the clutch. It would happen going up the hill much more easily. Going down hill as was mentioned, the rpms will increase and take the strain off the engine even if you are in too high a gear. If you didn't try to accelerate, you could go down most hills in 6th gear and it shouldn't put a strain on the engine even if you were going only 25 mph.
Just engine braking shouldn't shut down the bike so you must be braking too then releasing the clutch in too high a gear. I mean if the bike is idling OK when stopped at traffic lights and you shouldn't need to open the throttle at all while idling, then if it dies when going downhill, it must be you are in too high a gear for the speed and that is likely to happen only if you are using your brakes. It wouldn't just die though. It would jerk and sputter, buck, rattle, and maybe even backfire with all the strain on the engine before it died. Going down hill and releasing the clutch is how you can start a bike with a dead battery usually in second gear. It shouldn't be killing the bike.
Just engine braking shouldn't shut down the bike so you must be braking too then releasing the clutch in too high a gear. I mean if the bike is idling OK when stopped at traffic lights and you shouldn't need to open the throttle at all while idling, then if it dies when going downhill, it must be you are in too high a gear for the speed and that is likely to happen only if you are using your brakes. It wouldn't just die though. It would jerk and sputter, buck, rattle, and maybe even backfire with all the strain on the engine before it died. Going down hill and releasing the clutch is how you can start a bike with a dead battery usually in second gear. It shouldn't be killing the bike.
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So i am going down a steep hill in 6th start to slow down and down shift to 3rd or 4th and engine break to slow down more.. Get to say 15 to 20 mph and pull the clutch all the way in and start to brake, and it dies with the clutch pulled in, so not in gear. I have tested it out and only when clutching, in going down hill the rmp drop below normal idle. So low that it kills it.. Again it doesn't happen all the time.
I am now 100% sure the issue is my riding style. I am going to keep testing it out and see if i can gather more info...
I am now 100% sure the issue is my riding style. I am going to keep testing it out and see if i can gather more info...
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Last night I was on Google and found that this is actually more common of a problem, this EXACT same issue happens across the board with brands and types of bikes. The problem has actually never been explained, some dealers have completely ripped the bike apart and found nothing wrong with it others have replaced parts that would would think would be totally unrelated and it has fixed the problem. The thing I noticed though it when people complained about it the problem would seems to be only temporary and it would fix it self..
Take today for example, there are several hills on my way to work. I tried my hardest to kill by bike at all different RPMs and speeds and I couldn't do it.. I tried 20 to 30 times with zero luck..
Take today for example, there are several hills on my way to work. I tried my hardest to kill by bike at all different RPMs and speeds and I couldn't do it.. I tried 20 to 30 times with zero luck..
Ohh i love it when I'm in the mood to just keep riding for no reason but to get out there. I do miss my bike.
As for 1st gear issue, where you stopped when kicking down? Sometimes bikes wont get into 1st at a stop without some help..
1. try and get into 1st just before you stop
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2. When stopped kick down as far as you can then slowly let the clutch out to just rock the bike forward and it should drop into the gear.
Hope that helps.
Any chance it dies down hill when your low on gas? Just throwing it out there no idea why that would happen on a new bike.
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My tank of about 90% full at the moment and it is going it..
The video above is what I am talking about.. Upon engine breaking and then clutching in occasionally the RPM just drops, now a typical drop, it just falls, it just drops and dies.. The video didnt mention anything about the engine dying but mine is actually dying..
I am thinking I might take the bike to the dealer for my first service and have them look into it..
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There is an Aussie describing the same problem on YouTube. He doesn't mention going down hill, but says when he is engine braking and squeezes the clutch, the revs drop down way too low...lower than idle speed, so this would be a problem with the fuel injection mapping and Kawa may need to reprogram a bunch of bikes. We all wanted fuel injection, right? LOL
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Yes. Same one. So does that mean it is only one person with the problem so far? That would be highly unlikely. Mapping problems can be easily corrected at the dealer though. They would download a new program from Kawa into your bike (provided Kawa engineers know about the problem and have some new software). Kawa will have had lots of experience with these kinds of problems. I think you will be OK. Just needs a tweaking. Call your Kawa dealer and ask them if they can just fix it now. If it's the first, they may need it a lot longer than 20 min. though, but I suspect Kawa already knows about this. The ossilation could be a software problem too.
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Mine seems to have a problem with the throttle cable. The throttle was fine the night I bought the bike, but the next day it wasn't snapping closed. So my bike is chilling at the shop until the part gets here from the east coast. (Cross your fingers for me that I get it back Friday. I'm a new rider and only got to take the bike out once, but I'm already in love with it and really want to get back out there!)
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