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I am not sure if people don't know the road rules or if they just don't care about them.

People on the internet are much more rude than in real life because you are sort of anonym and don't have to tell people things face to face.

The same mechanism probably applies when someone is sitting inside a car.

To the guy that mentioned the "unicorns": are you aware that there are women reading/posting here?
 

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I am not sure if people don't know the road rules or if they just don't care about them.

People on the internet are much more rude than in real life because you are sort of anonym and don't have to tell people things face to face.

The same mechanism probably applies when someone is sitting inside a car.

To the guy that mentioned the "unicorns": are you aware that there are women reading/posting here?
The unicorn wasn't meant as a derogatory but more in the sense of the rarity of it. We know there are women on this forum posting and lurking, but they're still a very small proportion of the riding population. Making them fairly rare. Whether you agree with his reasoning or not, the female riding population at large is still very small compared to the overall population.
 

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Fair enough.

I bought my bike from a woman and the owner before that was female too. That makes me the 3rd female owner of the bike.
The salesperson who sold me my boots was female and has a ninja. I didn't ask the other salesperson what she rides.

I had 2 people driving into me and my bike and both were male. The first one was when I was stationary at red lights. Just sitting there on my bike (2 or 3 cars in front of me) waiting for the lights to turn green, not suspecting anything when an old guy backs out of his driveway into my bike.
The other time was when I was on a small side road going home. A middle aged guy stopped in front of me right in the middle of the road to chat to a neighbour. I was more experienced by then and I stopped behind him to wait and see what he is going to do next. I didn't dare drive past him either left or right and thought that it was safest to just wait until he makes up his mind about where to move his car.
He put reverse gear in and backed into me. He then proceeded to try to blame it on me and make me pay for his scratched bumper. As this was the second time I was better prepared and was having none of that. In fact I was furious and he backed off quickly when he realised that I wasn't some little girl he could push around.

Apart from that I park better than my husband and he wouldn't be able to keep up with me on the bike either if I didn't slow down and wait for him.

So much for male superiority LOL.
 

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Fair enough.

I bought my bike from a woman and the owner before that was female too. That makes me the 3rd female owner of the bike.
The salesperson who sold me my boots was female and has a ninja. I didn't ask the other salesperson what she rides.

I had 2 people driving into me and my bike and both were male. The first one was when I was stationary at red lights. Just sitting there on my bike (2 or 3 cars in front of me) waiting for the lights to turn green, not suspecting anything when an old guy backs out of his driveway into my bike.
The other time was when I was on a small side road going home. A middle aged guy stopped in front of me right in the middle of the road to chat to a neighbour. I was more experienced by then and I stopped behind him to wait and see what he is going to do next. I didn't dare drive past him either left or right and thought that it was safest to just wait until he makes up his mind about where to move his car.
He put reverse gear in and backed into me. He then proceeded to try to blame it on me and make me pay for his scratched bumper. As this was the second time I was better prepared and was having none of that. In fact I was furious and he backed off quickly when he realised that I wasn't some little girl he could push around.

Apart from that I park better than my husband and he wouldn't be able to keep up with me on the bike either if I didn't slow down and wait for him.

So much for male superiority LOL.
As far as women and this bike are concerned, you're going to have a higher proportion of women buying/selling the low CC bikes due to their lightness and low seat height than other bikes. Women are more likely to start at the smaller CC bikes and not get peer pressured by bros to jump straight to a 600 or 1000. Quite a few of the owners on this forum were those people who started too big and came down to the 300/400 later on. Again, we aren't saying that women are bad just that there are much fewer women riding than men. Women make up around 50-51% of the population but make up far less than that of the riding population and are vastly under represented in the riding population.

Self centered douchebaggery knows no bounds nor discriminates. Both of your examples mirror my own in that people are assholes and don't care about anyone else but themselves when they get behind the wheel. It's the current driving culture we've developed in the states where it's starting to look more and more like Bangladesh. I've seen women run red lights from not paying attention and t-bone someone and then claim that it was the other person's fault and that it was the other person who ran the red.

As far as always leaving your husband behind on the bike, a person's willingness to egregiously break the law more than another does not necessarily constitute aptitude and skill over another. For example, I don't really push anything nearing a hard pace on public roads. Too many bad drivers and rolling booby traps abound so I ride very defensively and tend to rarely if ever speed. The people in SoCal are absolute ass hats behind the wheel so it comes required that I treat the road like the minefield it's become. It's this odd thing we have in motorcycle culture where people think pushing a faster pace than others on a public road means that they are better/faster riders. I guess that's why I also insist I ride alone. That sort of competition is worthless and no one wins except maybe an early grave. Play stupid games and win stupid prizes.
 

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Authorize third-party re-testing so no one has to tolerate any more DMV-Hell than is necessary?
that's actually how it is in italy (my homecountry). the italian DMVs are far in between, like only 1 in a major city and none in small towns. so most people go to private businesses. the problem though is that while the cost at the italian DMV to take a license is the same as in USA, the private businesses charge about $1000 because whether you can drive or not they insist you take a minimum of x hours of lessons with them. the actual test is taken with a govt. employee from the italian DMV who rides in the back, while the private instructor sits by you and has a 2nd set of pedals (we drive manual in italy).

another difference is that it is basically guaranteed that you will pass the private exam. even if you make a mistake the instructor will cover for you or the govt. employee will give you a free pass. you basically have to ride into a wall to fail. to be more precise, I think if you're a really bad driver the business will not let you take the exam and just charge you for more lessons. on the other hand if you go to the italian DMV it's almost guaranteed you will fail, whether you can drive or not. I'm sure there's some kind of collusion there ^^

so, anytime some govt function is given to private business, there's a risk prices will increase. see education prices in USA have skyrocketed so much now, that med school can cost about half a million dollars. it wasn't that expensive just a few decades ago. meanwhile in italy you can still graduate to med school for basically free (covered by taxes, that is). so hum, private retesting might get quite expensive, and might take up more time than actually go to the DMV
 

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that's actually how it is in italy (my homecountry). the italian DMVs are far in between, like only 1 in a major city and none in small towns. so most people go to private businesses. the problem though is that while the cost at the italian DMV to take a license is the same as in USA, the private businesses charge about $1000 because whether you can drive or not they insist you take a minimum of x hours of lessons with them. the actual test is taken with a govt. employee from the italian DMV who rides in the back, while the private instructor sits by you and has a 2nd set of pedals (we drive manual in italy).

another difference is that it is basically guaranteed that you will pass the private exam.
I don't mean to be disrespectful to you, but having driven for a short time in Naples and Rome, I find it hard to believe there are any standards for drivers. Looking at another driver gives him/her the right of way. It's chaotic mayhem. The difference between driving in Naples and driving those old-fashioned bumper cars is slim, but y'all do a better job of not hitting each other.

No wonder so many F1 drivers come from Italy, and so few from the US.

The proverbial "54 year old women in an SUV" (to tie it back to the subject of this thread) wouldn't have a chance. She'd last 15 minutes, tops.

I'm not surprised about the guarantee to pass a private exam. Here in the US, if you take the Motorcycle Safety Foundation course, in most states, you don't have to take the skill test at the DMV. And when many of these courses are put on by Harley Davidson dealerships, who can imagine them flunking any potential customer?

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well Naples and Rome...they are probably in the top 5 worst places to drive in Italy. in the countryside it's much more tame. but basically the underlying principle of italian driving is that you insert your car wherever there is space. for example you won't see early lane merging (which is quite popular in USA). in italy people merge as late as possible, using the road shoulder as well. which actually is the most efficient way to merge, American traffic engineers found. Italian drivers are instinctly better :)

since italian drivers know to expect "car insertions", they are generally unphazed by what would look chaotic to some other countries. if you ever drive there again, feel free to sprinkle your driving with a liberal dose of honking as general comment on the inferior skill of OTHER drivers, as well as the general state of traffic.
 

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bah...Italian driving is an art that individualistic Americans can't understand. :) especially in situations of high traffic, we constantly communicate socially, not only honking but also waving hands, and loudly through the windows. in the southern dialect the finger tips are all joined, while in the northern dialect they can remain open.

while superficially we are blaming each other, in reality we are all expressing our communal outrage at the unfairness of life.
 

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My (limited) observation of women drivers is that they don't accelerate and corner as hard in general, but they don't seem to mind driving at higher speeds. Maybe that indicates a lower sense of risk, maybe due to the relative speed of the vehicles. I mean, 75mph doesn't seem as fast when other vehicles are +/- 5mph of that. Not perceiving the risk as much might lead to closer following distances and less attention. Plus the feeling of being protected by the vehicle. Maybe everyone should ride a bicycle, motorcycle, or a little smart car before being allowed to drive a big car!

I can be a pain when it comes to following distances. In my mind, it's all about energy, time, traction, awareness, and reaction time. When people get so close that they couldn't possibly handle something unexpected, I get nervous and usually say something. Usually to my wife! haha

Women are not necessarily better or worse drivers. It just seems all too common for people to underestimate the conditions and overestimate their ability. Confidence and positive attitude is one thing. What I see borders on careless or reckless IMO.
 

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I think I saw a very similar topic on /r/motorcycles recently. I think one of the biggest issues is responsibility. People see the car as an extension of themselves and if they do not take the act of driving seriously at all. Even the prospect of killing someone doesn't bother them. I was tailgated last week by a woman that pulled out on me, so incensed she was I managed to get out of the way and stay ahead. There was a car two lengths in front of me. She wasn't going anywhere, it was just the fact I was on a bike.

Everyone thinks their home's drivers are the worst, and sometimes there's some truth in it but there's so many factors. I think in the US in many, many places motorcycles are seen as a nuisance or a toy. There's also a little bit of class at play as they're also seen as a working class choice of transport; the idea anyone would choose a bike is anathema. Ever notice how the Audi/BMW/Merc drivers get a certain reputation? It's the same thing. Some of them think they're better than other road users, that the rules don't apply, because they are in a moving status symbol.

I find the US quite restrictive for bikers compared to the UK; most of the rules are geared to cars and people's general stupidity. For instance in Western PA double yellows are almost everywhere, with few exceptions, As a biker I cross them to pass all the time, as it is perfectly possible to make safe passes that would be a little dodgy in a four-wheeler. The irony is that it's not a state law, just a guideline (a 'strong suggestion' as one State Trooper put it). You won't get a ticket for crossing them, but you might if you have an accident in the processs. the only places where you can be booked for an infraction are when there is an actual 'no passing zone' sign. Still, a lot of locals get uppity about it because they don't think you should be passing, because despite the fact they're five under the speed limit don't you dare get in front of them.

I don't know if women are worse, but they can be very snotty. I've seen a woman in a van close a gap so I couldn't get in to a line of traffic. Another turn left in front of me gesticulating angrily that somehow, I had to give way to her.
 

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Interesting observations.

You won't get a ticket for crossing them, but you might if you have an accident in the processs. the only places where you can be booked for an infraction are when there is an actual 'no passing zone' sign. Still, a lot of locals get uppity about it because they don't think you should be passing, because despite the fact they're five under the speed limit don't you dare get in front of them.
To be fair, I've lived in PA for some 15+ years, and didn't know about this either until very recently. It's unusual for the US to have such vague language in the code regarding double-yellow lines. According to this they kept changing the language used in the traffic code, just to add to the confusion.
 

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I just started riding this year, but I've already had a couple cars that pull out of a shop entrance onto the road and literally stop in the middle of the road.


They were trying to get to the other side to go the opposite direction I was going, realized they couldn't make it, then just sit there. Since the stock horn is weak and not very aggressive sounding I usually just pull in the clutch and rev max it past them :) haha.
 

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Since the stock horn is weak and not very aggressive sounding I usually just pull in the clutch and rev max it past them :) haha.
Get rid of that stock beeper and add a FIAMM Highway Blaster (Low Note). It'll mount in the stock position and is very loud! I've used it a couple of times and it woke up some unaware drivers...
 

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Get rid of that stock beeper and add a FIAMM Highway Blaster (Low Note). It'll mount in the stock position and is very loud! I've used it a couple of times and it woke up some unaware drivers...
I'll have to check it out. Gonna be hard to beat just cranking up the exhaust though haha.
 

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In my opinion during my time driving semis, as soon as The Person gets in the vehicle they cease to be a Person to me. They then turn into The Hazard Waiting To Happen.



I. Hate. Prius. Drivers. The. Most. At least once a day I encounter any of these combo-ed together:

Slow driving(sometimes 15mph below speed limits on the freeway).

Cut offs(5 miles behind me and now you choose to go around me and almost miss your exit thus making me have to slam on my brakes).

Sitting right next to me for way too long(the tire near them could blow out and take their windshield out).


But on the note of being aware while riding I find that a lot of the techniques I use to drive truck transfer over to riding bike. It was a pleasant surprise!
 

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Not going to even comment on this subject, as it will only raise my blood pressure and I don't need that crap to happen !


Only comment I will make and will take it to my grave, is that we now live in a world full of idiot drivers, with most of their noses stuck to one type of screen or another. Simple, simple !
 

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This has been bugging me for some time.

I newly started riding again, after a long hiatus.
For some unexplained reason I assumed the "trouble cagers" ( the other vehicles I'd share the road with and have the most issues with) would be Subaru WRX type drivers with their baseball cap on backwards, or semi-toothless pick-up truck drivers with a Confederate flag displayed.

I was wrong.

Invariably it's approximately 54-year old women driving late model SUVs.
Every. single. bloody. time.

I look at the vehicle's driver who is following me way too closely and it's always middle-aged women in SUVs.
What gives?


I apologize for the nasty stereo-typing and generalizations in this post. Rant now over.
I totally agree. Middle-aged women (I'm middle-aged) in high-end SUVs are in a world of their own.

I recently rode through Bloomington, IL, during a heavy traffic period, and there was this middle-aged lady in a huge Lexus SUV that I couldn't shake - and she scared the crap out of me. She was constantly looking at the passenger while talking, would follow too closely, had a hard time staying in her lane, and had no clue. We were doing close to 80 (as was all the traffic) around curves in heavy traffic. I was glad to get out of there alive.

I "profile" all the time while riding - any beat-up car (used to hitting things), Escalade (own the road), Full-sized pick-ups (get the f*** out of my way!), Subaru (the kind that old folks drive around here), and Prius - though they aren't as bad as they used to be - most are driving Subarus now (all wheel drive for winter).

Just to name a few off the top of my head, but anyone that exhibits any poor or distracted driving gets identified and I'll do all I can to stay clear of them.

I've survived almost 40 years riding on the street so far, but every time out is a new day. Be careful out there!
 
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