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Interesting but how is lowering the back a little any different from riding with a passenger? The rear will ride at least that much lower. There's no way a manufacturer would design a bike that would become unstable with a passenger in it.
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I was really surprised as how much more upright I felt after lowering the back. It really does make a a difference. I would say as much as the risers did.
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Interesting but how is lowering the back a little any different from riding with a passenger? The rear will ride at least that much lower. There's no way a manufacturer would design a bike that would become unstable with a passenger in it.

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I have viewed the previously posted video a number of times in regards to trailing arm mounting angle and geometry. Have also looked at and measured trailing arm angle on my own Ninja and I fail to see how using a LOWERING LINK is going to drastically change the handling of the bike, especially if one is only lowering it 1 to 2 inches.


Every bike that I have ever owned and have ridden with a passenger, will compress the shock and change the trailing arm angle.


As you state, I also just can not believe that a manufacturer would design a bike that becomes unstable with a passenger on it and compressing its components.


I know that I will never be riding my Ninja with a passenger aboard. Thus, now I can not really see any reason why these bikes can not be physically lowered 1 to 1.5 inches, as I considered doing.


Finally, I feel that the companies that produce the Lowering Links must have done a lot of testing before they went into mass production and offered to the public. I also assume that many of the tests were actually performed on the tracks with racing bikes. If their was even the remote possibility that the links were a dangerous mod, then I believe their would be an endless number of law suits.
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Iím so short (5í 1Ē or 155 cm) and my inseam is only 28Ē (71 cm) - I can't even flat foot a Honda Grom, let alone my 300. I pay close attention to how and where I stop - on a flat surface, I tippy toe it. If itís an uneven surface, then I one foot it. Iíve never lowered my 300 and never will. Why? Because if I can only ride a 300 by lowering it an inch, then that means I can never ride a taller bike. This worked for me because I put in the hours learning how to compensate for my short comings ( <ó see what I did there?).

If you want to lower the back & raise the bars in order to change the seating position, why not get another bike thatís meant for that position?

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Iím so short (5í 1Ē or 155 cm) and my inseam is only 28Ē (71 cm) - I can't even flat foot a Honda Grom, let alone my 300. I pay close attention to how and where I stop - on a flat surface, I tippy toe it. If itís an uneven surface, then I one foot it. Iíve never lowered my 300 and never will. Why? Because if I can only ride a 300 by lowering it an inch, then that means I can never ride a taller bike. This worked for me because I put in the hours learning how to compensate for my short comings ( <ó see what I did there?).

If you want to lower the back & raise the bars in order to change the seating position, why not get another bike thatís meant for that position?

But Darling, I already do have another bike with a comfortable position and even a back rest.
Its just that some of us with nothing better to do are just trying to make the Ninja 300 " perfect ".
Also, I have already found (5) companies that make lowering links for the Ninja's. Thus, I can only assume that if five companies are making links, then they know that their are riders out their not happy with their seating positions.


Yesterday, I chatted with a Kawasaki Tech Rep. He stated that many riders do lower the back for a more flat look and seat position. When asked about change in handling ? He stated that the " average " sport bike rider would most likely not notice any change in handling if any at all. But, a real aggressive rider or one that races the Ninja, would naturally notice a change. But not a dangerous change.

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I’m so short (5’ 1” or 155 cm) and my inseam is only 28” (71 cm) - I can't even flat foot a Honda Grom, let alone my 300. I pay close attention to how and where I stop - on a flat surface, I tippy toe it. If it’s an uneven surface, then I one foot it. I’ve never lowered my 300 and never will. Why? Because if I can only ride a 300 by lowering it an inch, then that means I can never ride a taller bike. This worked for me because I put in the hours learning how to compensate for my short comings ( <— see what I did there?).

If you want to lower the back & raise the bars in order to change the seating position, why not get another bike that’s meant for that position?
I bought the 300 because I really like small displacement bikes and the options are pretty limited for a modern one. There cb300r is a bit more upright but also a bit lower in power.
I've had many many bikes and have always modified each one to make them fit my body and tastes as much as practical. I say why not make what you ride suit you? It's no different than adding an exhaust or tail tidy except in the case of ergonomics it'll actually make a difference in the riding experience.
I really don't understand the idea of not making your current bike fit you better because a future bike might not fit well
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Iím so short (5í 1Ē or 155 cm) and my inseam is only 28Ē (71 cm) - I can't even flat foot a Honda Grom, let alone my 300. I pay close attention to how and where I stop - on a flat surface, I tippy toe it. If itís an uneven surface, then I one foot it. Iíve never lowered my 300 and never will. Why? Because if I can only ride a 300 by lowering it an inch, then that means I can never ride a taller bike. This worked for me because I put in the hours learning how to compensate for my short comings ( <ó see what I did there?).

If you want to lower the back & raise the bars in order to change the seating position, why not get another bike thatís meant for that position?

Have spent hours thinking about your statement of spending hours learning to ride the bike " tippy toe ". Then got to thinking, would this not be the perfect example of somebody that should / could lower their bike perhaps 1.0 to 1.5 inches. Thus, eliminate the tippy toe riding technique. Being lowered just a short distance, nobody would even notice that the bike is lowered. No change in handling performance and the comfort and safety of having a flat foot on the ground would be established.


As far as riding other bikes is concerned. I can not count the number of ladies and shorter fellows that I have observed riding motorcycles much larger than the Ninja 300. All the way from Harley Sportsters up to Honda Gold Wings. They all seem to be riding just fine on the larger bikes.


Just a thought to be considered. But, I know that I personally would not ride a bike with just a tippy toe technique. I have in the past and found it much to easy for a foot to slip. Thus, I either opted for another bike, or in one case, a new lower custom made seat.

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Have spent hours thinking about your statement of spending hours learning to ride the bike " tippy toe ". Then got to thinking, would this not be the perfect example of somebody that should / could lower their bike perhaps 1.0 to 1.5 inches. Thus, eliminate the tippy toe riding technique. Being lowered just a short distance, nobody would even notice that the bike is lowered. No change in handling performance and the comfort and safety of having a flat foot on the ground would be established.


As far as riding other bikes is concerned. I can not count the number of ladies and shorter fellows that I have observed riding motorcycles much larger than the Ninja 300. All the way from Harley Sportsters up to Honda Gold Wings. They all seem to be riding just fine on the larger bikes.


Just a thought to be considered. But, I know that I personally would not ride a bike with just a tippy toe technique. I have in the past and found it much to easy for a foot to slip. Thus, I either opted for another bike, or in one case, a new lower custom made seat.

Just adding a statement to what I have said above.


Even though I think it may be a good idea to lower a bike so that the rider can flatly place their feet on the ground when need be. I just got done watching a video on YOU TUBE showing techniques for shorter riders. Even with many years of riding experience behind me, I was amazed as to how well people with a shorter inseam can handle and ride a bike.


Many techniques and examples were demonstrated on how to ride. And I must say to the people with shorter reach, congratulations on how well you can ride and handle a motorcycle.

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Yesterday, I chatted with a Kawasaki Tech Rep. He stated that many riders do lower the back for a more flat look and seat position. When asked about change in handling ? He stated that the " average " sport bike rider would most likely not notice any change in handling if any at all. But, a real aggressive rider or one that races the Ninja, would naturally notice a change. But not a dangerous change.
I would drastically notice that change when tipping into corners, but that's me - you do you, Curly Sue.

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As far as riding other bikes is concerned. I can not count the number of ladies and shorter fellows that I have observed riding motorcycles much larger than the Ninja 300. All the way from Harley Sportsters up to Honda Gold Wings. They all seem to be riding just fine on the larger bikes.

Just a thought to be considered. But, I know that I personally would not ride a bike with just a tippy toe technique. I have in the past and found it much to easy for a foot to slip. Thus, I either opted for another bike, or in one case, a new lower custom made seat.
1. A Honda Goldwing is not a motorcycle, it's a La-Z-Boy with wheels.
2. When you're short, you get really good at paying very close attention to the state of the ground and where you're stopping - very good.

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Just adding a statement to what I have said above.


Even though I think it may be a good idea to lower a bike so that the rider can flatly place their feet on the ground when need be. I just got done watching a video on YOU TUBE showing techniques for shorter riders. Even with many years of riding experience behind me, I was amazed as to how well people with a shorter inseam can handle and ride a bike.

Many techniques and examples were demonstrated on how to ride. And I must say to the people with shorter reach, congratulations on how well you can ride and handle a motorcycle.


For anyone else reading this thread and wants a good reference for how us shorter folks ride, I recommend this article by Gear Chic: http://www.gearchic.com/blog/2012/09...r-short-riders

If I'm out riding, you'll generally see me wearing my Dainese Sirens sport touring boots because they boost height by 3/4". For flat surfaces, such as tracks, I have a pair of Sidi Vertigo Lei boots - they're stiffer and I'm ballerina toes in those suckers. That's okay, though because it's an even surface. I really wanted to love the Daytona Ladystar boots that boost height a little over an inch on the sole, and 2" in the heel. Unfortunately, they hit my foot exactly in the spot where I've fractured it twice and hurt just zipping them up. Those were a hard no.

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I bought the 300 because I really like small displacement bikes and the options are pretty limited for a modern one. There cb300r is a bit more upright but also a bit lower in power.
I've had many many bikes and have always modified each one to make them fit my body and tastes as much as practical. I say why not make what you ride suit you? It's no different than adding an exhaust or tail tidy except in the case of ergonomics it'll actually make a difference in the riding experience.
I really don't understand the idea of not making your current bike fit you better because a future bike might not fit well
I've completely set up this bike to suit me and my riding style. About the only thing that's still stock: frame, engine, fairings, wheels, and seat. From the tapered steering bearings, to the Spiegler stainless steel brake likes, the sintered brake pads, Vortex adjustable rear sets, LED lights, double bubble screen, Yoshimura fender eliminator, DRII tires (not great for longevity, but so sticky), CRG adjustable levers, sprockets, chain... you name it, I've changed it out to be what I wanted for my bike.

As for why I won't lower this one, see the article above. I'm short, the world isn't going to adjust to suit me; however, I can adjust my riding style to suit the world of motorcycles that I enjoy.

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I would drastically notice that change when tipping into corners, but that's me - you do you, Curly Sue.



1. A Honda Goldwing is not a motorcycle, it's a La-Z-Boy with wheels.
2. When you're short, you get really good at paying very close attention to the state of the ground and where you're stopping - very good.





For anyone else reading this thread and wants a good reference for how us shorter folks ride, I recommend this article by Gear Chic: http://www.gearchic.com/blog/2012/09...r-short-riders

If I'm out riding, you'll generally see me wearing my Dainese Sirens sport touring boots because they boost height by 3/4". For flat surfaces, such as tracks, I have a pair of Sidi Vertigo Lei boots - they're stiffer and I'm ballerina toes in those suckers. That's okay, though because it's an even surface. I really wanted to love the Daytona Ladystar boots that boost height a little over an inch on the sole, and 2" in the heel. Unfortunately, they hit my foot exactly in the spot where I've fractured it twice and hurt just zipping them up. Those were a hard no.



I've completely set up this bike to suit me and my riding style. About the only thing that's still stock: frame, engine, fairings, wheels, and seat. From the tapered steering bearings, to the Spiegler stainless steel brake likes, the sintered brake pads, Vortex adjustable rear sets, LED lights, double bubble screen, Yoshimura fender eliminator, DRII tires (not great for longevity, but so sticky), CRG adjustable levers, sprockets, chain... you name it, I've changed it out to be what I wanted for my bike.

As for why I won't lower this one, see the article above. I'm short, the world isn't going to adjust to suit me; however, I can adjust my riding style to suit the world of motorcycles that I enjoy.


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