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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 10-19-2016, 05:37 PM Thread Starter
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300 crash - hit & run

Hey guys,
I just bought the bike a couple of months ago and got into an accident yesterday.
To make a long story short, the lady behind the car wheel tried to escape, but luckily i had my GoPro cam on the helmet turned on.
With that helpful video (i've added some nice music and slowmo), police was able to get her in less than an hour:
https://youtu.be/JlKJSKQlqpI

I know i am stupid to rely on someone's vision skills, but this lady was completely blind and i should have predicted that.

The question is: what's next? did any of you got into an accident like this? should i hire a layer and get a compensation for the injuries? (just broke my finger)

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You make a claim through their insurance. IANAL but if the broken finger caused you to not be able to work you may be able to get your back pay. I'd only get a lawyer if their insurance won't pay for your medical bills/replace bike/etc in a reasonable amount of time. I highly doubt you're going to get some large settlement because of a broken finger.

I'd also recommend taking down the video until the process is complete. You never know what the insurance company's lawyer will do.

Most lawyers will talk to you for free, so if you're unsure of how to proceed you can contact one for an initial consultation.

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I can't see how posting the video could do any harm to your case. It looks like you were really lucky to walk away with minimal injury and I'm glad they caught the scumbag

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Out of curiosity, why didn't you swerve or try to stop once she started the left turn across your path?
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What can make this kind of iffy in some places is that WELL before you got to that intersection they were already slowly rolling through the intersection. They car's front end is already shifting through past the stop line right where you cut the video in so you would have seen been seeing the car starting to move before even the cut happened. The video makes it look like you had well over 100 feet to make a stop and could have stopped in time if you had noticed that they were very slowly crawling through the intersection. Hell, if they had accelerated up to normal speeds to get through the intersection that most people do, they would have been all the way through it and you wouldn't have hit them. So you were either going too fast for conditions or just haven't developed the visual skills yet or both. I am looking quite a good ways away and when city riding (nearly all the time,) I always cover my clutch and front brake to shorten my slow ass reaction time a bit. I also am scanning fairly far ahead and looking for cars poking their nose out. The moment I see a vehicle primed and ready to go in front of me at any moment, I slow down to a comfortable speed so that I may stop for them if they decide to lose their fucking minds and go for it. There is a point of no return though to where you're now committed and can't stop for trouble anymore and it's usually at this point that I'd start to accelerate to limit my time within this narrow window of getting rekt.

So what can make this kind of thing a bit hard to adjudicate is that many places, especially CA, have laws that stipulate that you cannot enter an intersection unless it's already cleared and you wouldn't be impeding traffic by stopping in it. While the other driver gets in trouble for violating right of way and fleeing a collision where someone was injured (felony hit and run in a lot of places including CA), you can potentially find yourself getting cited for entering the intersection when not safe and clear. It's every driver's duty to ensure the bit of road they're about to be in is clear of hazards and traffic. I would definitely at least talk with an attorney that specializes with multiple party collisions (accident attorney) and get an opinion. You were injured in this and they ran so they're going to potentially be on the bad end of the police report. It's usually advised to not post footage until after a settlement has been made as it's considered evidence and some lawyers have been successful of getting publicly released evidence thrown out. So the general rule now has been to not post video footage until releases have been signed. Stick it to their insurance if they have it (it's generally the reason why people flee collisions.) If they don't have it, you may need a lawyer to bring them to civil court and try to recoup damages directly. Although it's fairly certain that if they fled because they didn't have insurance, they probably don't have much in the way of assets to seek. Although I guess you could have what few assets they have forcefully liquidated but that's a whole other legal headache to deal with that will take a lot of time. It'd be easier in that case to just file a claim with your insurance company and let them chase the other party through the legal system.

So for future reference, you should be riding a bit slower in residential or congested areas. Remember as well that every driveway, entrance/exit are also intersections so you need to be very alert in the thick of the city. Many city riders here will tell you that shit comes from out of nowhere and everywhere in the city. You can relax a bit more on the freeway but you'd have to be more alert at transition points before and after exits and on-ramps.
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Out of curiosity, why didn't you swerve or try to stop once she started the left turn across your path?
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The video makes it look like you had well over 100 feet to make a stop and could have stopped in time if you had noticed that they were very slowly crawling through the intersection.
True true true, that was more my mistake as i was risking my own life with such inattentive driving.
The point is, i don't know why, i was absolutely sure that the car is slowing down to give me the right of way, even in the middle of the intersection. So, i realized that some sh*t gonna happen only a few feet before the car, thats visible on the video - i slammed both brakes, but it was too late.

Why i did not swerve? I was unsure if the car is going to stop or accelerate, and swerving to the left would lead me directly into the car if it has stopped. So, i've tried to evade the collision and moved a little bit to the right, and hit the rear part of the car, what was a mistake again.

Summarizing all above, i definitely need more experience, need to develop motor skills on how to evade the collision and perform emergency braking. My reaction time was horrible.

FreelancerMG, ducati_dave thanks for your advice, i have removed the video and will try to get in touch with accident attorney.
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I had an old lady do this to me too. She was creeping in front of me like she was anticipating my right of way, but she never stopped creeping. I didn't know it was an old lady until after I stopped and dropped my bike (with a very minor bump against the side of her car). Thankfully, I sensed things going wrong and braked, and my speed was very reasonable when I first noticed something amiss. So, although I was already slowing down, I didn't realize she wasn't stopping until I was just 10 feet or so away from her. Creeping is worse than just going for it because one, someone who turns at a normal speed would make it before we get there (in some cases) and two, creeping gives the illusion of anticipation, not a completely irrational and slow-motion failure-to-yield.

Your video is now private, but glad you survived it. Glad they found her too...can't believe she tried to run. Be sure you get an attorney on the case as mentioned in the thread. She deserves everything coming at her for trying to run. She also still needs to yield right of way, even your speed is in question.
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Yeah, I watched this video yesterday but decided not to comment because I didn't want to play devil's advocate and appear too negative. But now that other experienced riders have posted I can say that it looked to me that you, chaosmage, were not only speeding, but asleep at the grips. You definitely should have been able to avoid that accident, even at the speed you were traveling. Of course, there's still no excuse for the car fleeing the scene, but if I were a cop, I would have cited both of you for the accident.

My advice is to slow down a little, and to ride DEFENSIVELY!!! Think about it, it's your life at risk. Enjoy riding but be eagle-eyed and be ready for the crazies out there.

Cheers and good luck in the future!
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